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Jaaja Post time: 2018-4-22 01:10
I did not think so, nor did I write so.

You are not only trying to put words in my mouth, but als ...

I know you're a western propagandist playing word games.
You have implied time and time again that the Chinese are immature and immoral.
It's all there for people to see.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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robert237 Post time: 2018-4-22 17:29
I know you're a western propagandist playing word games.
You have implied time and time again that ...

If by labeling me "western propagandist" you think that I am such by profession, then you are mistaken.

But I'll add it to my resume - oops I had done that already. But not in need of another job.

You have implied time and time again that the Chinese are immature and immoral.


Now you must be confusing me with someone else. Please double check your references.

I don't believe that I have ever commented about such characteristics of Chinese nationals or ethnic group.

My (often critical) comments are mainly about the Chinese system, not the people. Some others on this forum are probably more proactive in addressing to character of the people.

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Post time 2018-4-22 19:10:32 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-4-22 03:03
If by labeling me "western propagandist" you think that I am such by profession, then you are mist ...

I'm not confusing you with anyone. You don't fool me.
If you are against the government that brought China from a beat up, third world nation at the hands
of western imperialists to the second economic power in the world and capable of defending itself
from western imperialism then you are against the Chinese people.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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Post time 2018-4-22 19:20:11 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2018-4-22 19:10
I'm not confusing you with anyone. You don't fool me.
If you are against the government that broug ...

I'm not even against that government, only some of their practises in keeping them in governance.

I oppose strong censorship and state propaganda. If Chinese government gave up on those, I wouldn't have much to complain about Chinese government - and certainly not about Chinese people.


government that brought China from a beat up, third world nation at the hands
of western imperialists to the second economic power


The government that did this, did not exist until Deng. Even after that, China's economy grew through foreign trade, not through domestic growth.

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Post time 2018-4-22 19:24:36 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-4-22 03:20
I'm not even against that government, only some of their practises in keeping them in governance.
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If you oppose state propaganda so much then why are you an active western propagandist?

You are very naive if you think that having nuclear defense didn't keep western imperialism at bay.
China has Mao to thank for that.
And China's economy grew because of the hard work of its people, it wasn't a gift from the west.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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Post time 2018-4-22 19:40:46 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-4-22 19:20
I'm not even against that government, only some of their practises in keeping them in governance.
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Every country has propaganda.

But you just don't know.
Journalists of Deutsche Welle were fired because of pro-China reports.

A CNN journalist owed up her report was censored.

In Germany, you would find their media outlets don't mention the nationality of criminals. And German people have learnt if nationalites are not reported, most of them are refugees.

You're as naive as a greenhorn.

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Post time 2018-4-22 21:12:23 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2018-4-22 19:24
If you oppose state propaganda so much then why are you an active western propagandist?

You are v ...

I assume that in your eyes some of my personal opinions just happen to match opinions that you could expect from "western propagandist".

But you are mistaken in many ways. Firstly it comes from your apparent position as Chinese indivudual - as such, you see all opinions that don't agree with your own as western propaganda.

I happen to have personal interest (in multiple levels) in the success and growth of China, and I have different vision for how that can be best achieved, than what the official Chinese doctrine is.

I have other options if I cannot stay here, so I'm not afraid to share those visions. For most Chinese, that is not possible.

I have no such interest in success or growth of USA for example. That is why I am commenting on this Chinese forum, rather than preaching about failures of USA to American netizens. if I lived there, I probably would.

naive if you think that having nuclear defense didn't keep western imperialism at bay. China has Mao to thank for that.


I'm pretty sure that China would have invented nuclear technology even if he had given people more freedoms to pursue their happiness. Or without him altogether. It is you who seem to underestimate the capabilities of Chinese people.

If China had taken different path immediately after WW2, USA and China would have probably been allies in developing and implementing nuclear technology against Soviets Union, not to mentione building Chinese economy instead of Japanese.

Had there been such alliance, Korean War and subsequent suffering on both sides would probably have been avoided, and (should we say) gentler communists could have sailed to Taiwan in parade, escorted by US warships.

If China had implemented communism in combination with market economy like it does today much earlier, communism as ideology could have survived despite Soviet's best (yet unintentional) effort to destroy it. China's example could have even been spread to USA.

As much as Chinese like to be reminded about great deeds of their past leader, they neglect to even consider how much better things could have been with different policies. Globally, but most of all for Chinese people.

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