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seneca Post time: 2017-3-9 20:29
Price increases are never a good solution. What they actually achieve is to drive the cigarette tr ...

Neverthless, if cigarettes can be so easily smuggled, then lot of other product can too, and closing those doors should be something the government should do anyway.

Therefore I don't think that smuggling argumentation stands.

Through few examples I have been trying to demonstrate that almost 100% of research on this matter shows that price increase of tobacco decreases consumption.

But, I don't know how these studies measure consumption of tobacco - is it just through official sales data, or do they count in smuggled imports and actually observe how much people smoke. I'm sure there is data somewhere about that, and I would speculate that even with smuggling offsetting some of the effect, the effect is still positive.

As someone mentioned, and as the research I quoted from Taiwain also demonstrated, educated increase of tobacco tax can both decrease consumption and increase tax revenue, so in countries where the state does not depend on tobacco sales there is no reason to not do it - even if the benefit would be very small.

China is different, because tobacco sales are not only tax revenue, but also sales revenue for the state. China should urgently change that.

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seneca Post time: 2017-3-9 21:27
When you raise the price of a consumer product the product as such gains status as fewer people ca ...

Well I just cannot ignore so many scientific studies, that plain and simply show that raising tobacco price decreases consumption. I even quoted research (fom Canada I believe) that demonstrated, that the effect is even bigger among youth and young adults than the general public.

If expensive cigarettes would make the poor aware of their situation, so much better - it is another thing that China needs, people to realize just where they are and why. Let the rich put themselves to grave younger due to smoking, they can afford the healthcare better anyway. I don't think that smoking becoming a status symbol will be a bad thing to happen.

It is their parents. They should be penalised for not monitoring their children's antisocial habits


In Chinese context, I really don't believe that lowering cigarette prices would decrease consumption! Smoking in China is like handshakes in western countries. It is something you are expected to participate to. It's the exact opposite of "antisocial habits" here.

And by no means am I saying that raising cigarette price is the only way to reduce smoking. Graphic warnings in cigarette packs is also needed, and is proven to work same way as raising price is.

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Jaaja Post time: 2017-3-9 12:19
Where did you come up with that 4% of the subgroups? The study only had 6 subgroups.

In results  ...

Look at the populations of the subgroups studied, and you will be able to figure out the math involved.
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Saul Post time: 2017-3-9 22:23

Actually, this graphic uses false and misleading information to get its point across. Health Canada is famous here for using tactics like this. Nicotine is not the drug in tobacco which causes addiction. By itself, nicotine is about as addictive, and has the same effect on the brain, as caffeine. It is the added chemicals (~4000) which drive the addictive factor. MAOI's (Mono-amine oxidase inhibitors) which attach themselves to nicotine increase its addictiveness, however, nicotine itself is not the problem.
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