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Post time 2016-4-28 00:06:19 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Ted180 at 2016-4-27 16:44

This whole discussion of Brexit does lead to a full examination of various concepts of geopolitics, economics and political ideology. These are all mixed together. I note a tendency to posit that capitalism is represented by the United States and that capitalism is imperialistic. I find this highly questionable for a number of reasons. 1. Russia has abandoned communism and even socialism. In Russia the privileges of the (new) capitalist elite are extreme. Russia no longer represents socialism (let alone communism). In China, there is also an emerging new capitalist elite (and linked to the political elite just as in Russia, the EU and the US.). I SEE NO SURVIVING IDEOLOGICAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND ANY OTHER POWER. All powers are now capitalist (though socialist measures can be mixed-in). The differences are not MORAL or IDEOLOGICAL. The differences are only reflections of the interests of the LOCAL GOVERNING ELITES. They have no "MORAL STANDING". I hope this will not be interpreted as a whole-hearted support of right-wing capitalism. I am a social democrat who believes the capitalists must be thoroughly-taxed and regulated by government (more thoroughly than in the US or anywhere!).
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Post time 2016-4-28 08:10:22 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2016-4-27 20:24
I think I see one of your assumptions. Namely, that right-wing capitalists controlled US post-war  ...

Ted, I am not making any assumptions, but merely stating facts. In the sixties and seventies Europe was moving in a direction that the international capitalist could not tolerate. France introduced the 35 hour week in an attempt to encourage job sharing. The Germans espoused new technology but would not allow that to replace workers. In most of Europe workers' rights were protected and in Sweden the title "manager" was almost gone.
Margaret Thatcher wanted to veto Austria's membership because Austria was too socialist. In most countries in Europe, the employees were entitled to more paid holidays, than the Americans could dream of. Health and education were also free....
The capitalists feared that Europe could turn socialist over night.... look up "Gladio". Ted Heath's Conservative party was to the left of the Labour party under Blair. Those were different times.

The US is desperately trying to maintain dominance over Europe, with the not so covert assistance of the UK.
Capitalism does not spread prosperity for all, it merely shifts poverty from one place to another. It is a failed system and I think I have already written enough, in other threads, to prove it. It is the means of enslaving the many to the few through debt that cannot be repaid.
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Post time 2016-4-28 15:52:20 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2016-4-28 00:06
This whole discussion of Brexit does lead to a full examination of various concepts of geopolitics,  ...

I am a social democrat who believes the capitalists must be thoroughly-taxed and regulated by government (more thoroughly than in the US or anywhere!).

That's not going to happen with globalised Capitalism but in their defense, the Capitalists argue they have spread wealth around the world.

Cheap Asian labour and the whopper export markets to the West that goes with it. Has put China for one where it is today, the second biggest economy in the world.
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Post time 2016-4-28 16:00:28 |Display all floors
We tax the highest earners more than the lowest, the highest paid would actually be paying more tax if they were taxed at the same percentage. But the highest paid pay at a higher percentage.

The task is to make to make sure they pay all they should, the richest are fiendishly clever at tax avoidance.
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Post time 2016-4-28 16:43:25 |Display all floors
With or without UK, the EU has some serious problems...
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Post time 2016-4-29 19:07:05 |Display all floors
TheHermit Post time: 2016-4-27 19:10
Ted, I am not making any assumptions, but merely stating facts. In the sixties and seventies Europ ...

You write as if the US capitalists are somehow different from other capitalists (European, Asian). I will grant you that US has a weaker "socialist component" in its economy than most of Europe (but not Asia) and that it APPEARS the capitalists have more influence over US government than most. But 1. Appearances can be  deceptive. (Look at how European capitalists have taxed EU commoners to pay back Greek bond losses to banks and forced "austerity" on southern Europeans). 2. There is always potential for leftward change in US via orderly politics. 3. Capitalism will not necessarily fail if it includes more socialist factors (more progressive taxation, stricter corporate controls). Remember, I AM a social democrat!
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Post time 2016-4-29 20:26:25 |Display all floors
teamkrejados Post time: 2016-4-25 23:42
"... a resurgent British Commonwealth that's strongly supported by Canada, Australia, New Zealand... ...

I don't see much further influence for the British Commonwealth for several reasons. 1. USA is not a member.
2. Important members India and Pakistan show very little progress toward rational resolution of problems.
3. Many potentially-influential members (Nigeria, R. South Africa) are mired in corruption, inefficiency, civil disorder.
Generally, an unfortunate situation.
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