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Post time 2016-4-27 06:24:34 |Display all floors
leiztorc Post time: 2016-4-26 18:51
If UK's current EU membership serves both UK and US well why then some in England rebel?

Of cours ...

Joining the Common Market was not in the interests of the majority of the British public. Most of the EU legislation that would have benefited the British working class, Britain opted out of. The main beneficiaries of our membership are the bankers in London who are now worried that the public may vote "OUT".

Similarly, British membership of the EU does little to help the average US citizen, it is only beneficial to the one percent.
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Post time 2016-4-27 07:16:02 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2016-4-26 22:01
You base this on an assumption that the US doesn't want to see an economically- and politically-st ...

My dear Ted.... the idea that the US has been defending Europe from the Soviets is a myth perpetrated by the US to keep the Europeans under control. No plans emerged of a Soviet invasion of Europe, to my knowledge, those plans only existed at the Pentagon. The Soviets believed, that the World would soon realise that the capitalist system is not working, and rush in droves to adopt communism. They underestimated world stupidity.... it seems. On the other hand it was the Soviets who feared an invasion by the West, much like the Russians do now.
You have to see things in the context of the day. In the seventies the US was hurting from its defeat in Vietnam, and feared that looking at the Europeans, Americans would demand similar rights and services. Europe was moving too much to the left of centre according to American politicians at the time. So the US did all in its power to keep the wayward Europeans subservient and in line.
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Post time 2016-4-27 08:32:36 |Display all floors
leiztorc Post time: 2016-4-26 19:08
Very well aware that the British Commonwealth includes many others like Pakistan, India, South Afr ...

We are of the same mind, then. I too believe that Britain intends to focus on strengthening its global impact via the Commonwealth but it cannot do so as an active member of the EU. Hence their desire to withdraw. I believe this is something America doesn't want for the exact reason you mentioned: too many cooks spoil the broth.
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Post time 2016-4-27 08:45:35 |Display all floors
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TheHermit Post time: 2016-4-27 06:24
Joining the Common Market was not in the interests of the majority of the British public. Most of  ...

In some of your post it sounds like the majority of the English people are quite open to Equitable Socialism rather than Exploitative Capitalism that I think is happening today globally where humongous Private Equity Funds could actually buy over many countries.

But I still think US and UK are serious unbreakable allies. The Brexit could be well planned strategy.

When US calls for UK to stay, it will camouflage any real intention behind that it wants UK out for some reasons known only to them. With UK out, one thing is likely to happen the perceived EUD strength will weaken due to an unavoidable perception that one vital economic engine is getting out of EU notwithstanding that UK has always been Pound Sterling. It could mean the EU economy will not be so large now or that if UK, a respectable nation with an unmatched historical success, wants out something must be wrong inside the EU. Whichever way it reads a weaker EU.

Another probable incentive is that the RMB is poised to take stage at the IMF, a weaker EUD will help maintain the USD's dominance. No one wants to bank entirely using the RMB only. Instead of having EUD as a viable option, given the potential growth in Asia-Europe trade, a weaker EUD means more will tend to choose USD over the EUD. Somehow nations will keep a basket. So with lesser holding the EUD, USD will still be pivotal. In a way this will still make it not too convenient for the Asia-Europe trade.

With UK out of EU, it becomes a free agent to start new trade pacts with every nation or maybe it already has done all the negotiations that it want. I do have high expectation that the English are very smart and will act so.  If Brexit is a scheme, after UK has secured all the favourable trade and security concessions globally, US can still tap the UK channels notwithstanding that it has its own direct channels. In some vital channels it is easier for UK to win over others than US due to the enduring affection to UK. Somehow the UK Empire is able to charm the world with positive affection.

At the end, Obama's call could be made so that the EU chieftains do not form a negative perception on the US in trying to weaken the EU establishment.

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Post time 2016-4-27 08:46:13 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2016-4-26 22:01
You base this on an assumption that the US doesn't want to see an economically- and politically-st ...

The neo-liberal elites in the unelected European commission have shown they're not up for any serious reforms. They're ideologically wedded to full-on federalism

It makes left-wing opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn's pro-EU position all the more puzzling. He's spent most of his political career as an adamant sceptic.

He's deluding himself if he thinks he can get the kind of changes he would like as a Socialist by staying in the EU.
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Post time 2016-4-27 08:59:54 |Display all floors
teamkrejados Post time: 2016-4-27 08:32
We are of the same mind, then. I too believe that Britain intends to focus on strengthening its gl ...

The challenge is whether there are more English elites who wants to stand on their own feet. Presently possible many are still in their slumber indulging in the false American rendezvous and fantasies.

Its really a waste. The British Commonwealth is one of the largest organizations of independent nations, England is a permanent member of the UNSC, London is one of the premier financial centres, Pound Sterling is in the IMF basket, Oxford and Cambridge are top notched unparalleled knowledge institutions globally, not just in England and there are a host of distinguished British companies like BP, Glaxo, etc. that are in the forefront of their respective industries globally. But all these advantages have been kept in the refrigerator for far too long.

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Post time 2016-4-27 20:24:06 |Display all floors
TheHermit Post time: 2016-4-26 18:16
My dear Ted.... the idea that the US has been defending Europe from the Soviets is a myth perpetra ...

I think I see one of your assumptions. Namely, that right-wing capitalists controlled US post-war policy more thoroughly and rigidly than they controlled policy in Western Europe. And that NATO, rather than intended to defend Western Europe against Soviet imperialism was intended to bolster Western Europe as an agent of American (capitalist) imperialism. This is an assumption in which I do not concur; but it is certainly worthy of discussion. But that is a full historical topic in itself. But to return to the CURRENT problem of the EU and UK.

I do not perceive any SERIOUS conflict of geopolitical or economic interests between the EU and the US. Both share an interest in a prosperous capitalist world economy, both share the basic liberal democracy, neither wish a major war with a major power (China or Russia). I see the EU and US economies as being COMPLEMENTARY rather than COMPETITIVE (which is also how I see their geopolitical interests).

I also have a longer-term world view that sees ALL economies as COMPLEMENTARY in a global sense. And because the political mechanisms of liberal democracy have been shown most conducive to economic growth, I see liberal democracy as the optimal form of government for ALL nation-states or unions. Thus, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and India are joining the liberal democracies - and so will China. Russia also, with the complication that Russia will be absorbed into the EU.
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