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Post time 2016-4-26 18:45:37 |Display all floors
YinsXZ Post time: 2016-4-26 04:50
All valid and good questions.   American and Britain were once at war.  American revolutionaries ran ...

Assuming if UK leaves, US still has France inside. France too has a strong intimate history with US. US can trust France to get the job done as it seeks out a second support for France. The options for US actually widens as US could forge a threesome economic-security sphere of US-UK-Canada that span the entire Atlantic and also push the Irish to join the UK for a larger piece of cake.

The only issue is if the Scottish and the Irish share the same sentiment here.

Its highly unlikely that UK will close in with BRICS. The British Empire has always been in competition with the Russian Empire and that animosity hasn't ended yet and in a recent statement during the peak of Russian crisis Russia chided England as a "puny state". No way those two are going to see eye to eye. There is greater common ground between US and UK than UK with anyone else. Could be US didn't want EU to see US as a catalyst that is encouraging UK to leave, hence it made a carefully though out diplomatic statement to avoid finger pointing.

Think the Queen is having a headache for her glorious 90th birthday which ought not have been the case.

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Post time 2016-4-26 18:46:44 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2016-4-26 06:21
Some of the terrible motives you attribute to the US are quite delusional.

Just stretching imagination. We aren't in those inner circles.

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Post time 2016-4-26 18:51:45 |Display all floors
TheHermit Post time: 2016-4-26 07:58
Ted, in the seventies the US feared that the European Common Market, was getting ever closer to th ...

If UK's current EU membership serves both UK and US well why then some in England rebel?

Of course things could just end up like the Scottish independence rant.

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Post time 2016-4-26 19:08:16 |Display all floors
teamkrejados Post time: 2016-4-26 12:42
"... a resurgent British Commonwealth that's strongly supported by Canada, Australia, New Zealand... ...

Very well aware that the British Commonwealth includes many others like Pakistan, India, South Africa etc. even that part of China known as Hong Kong.

But its hardly functioning. Economically the British Commonwealth isn't promoting much although it accounts for nearly 20% of global population, has London which is one of the 2 most dynamic financial centres, has 3 of the top 10 currencies in the world and territorial wise probably accounted for about 20% land mass.  But it doesn't stand out in global economics. So how can one proclaim that as strong? The only thing we can say is that it is still very much alive.

The reason UK should ring together Canada, Australia and New Zealand is that these three are all advance economies and it is easier for them to have their financial and legal systems aligned or converge given that their education system has a great degree of convergence that easily recognises one another. Such an alignment, with meeting of minds and greater acceptance, will make business easy and it connects 3 major economic continents of America-Europe-Asia. Too many cooks spoils the broth. 4 to 6 strong members suffices to turbo the sleeping British Commonwealth ahead.

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Post time 2016-4-26 20:23:33 |Display all floors
teamkrejados Post time: 2016-4-26 12:42
"... a resurgent British Commonwealth that's strongly supported by Canada, Australia, New Zealand... ...

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Post time 2016-4-26 22:01:41 |Display all floors
TheHermit Post time: 2016-4-25 14:13
The UK only joined the EU to ensure that it never posed a threat to US hegemony. The UK sabotaged ev ...

You base this on an assumption that the US doesn't want to see an economically- and politically-strong EU emerge (because it fears competition). I seriously doubt that. Between 1945 and 1990 the US spent much defending a reluctant Europe from the USSR. Europe never carried its weight - and still doesn't. The population of the EU is over 500 million. Its GDP is $ 16 trillion (same as the US). EU is in economic recession now because EUROPEAN (not American) capitalists are dictating neo-liberal austerity policies that reduce effective consumer demand (especially in the poor south). The US recommendations for the EU are, in fact, far more PROGRESSIVE, than those they make for THEMSELVES. The guilty parties are the EUROPEANS themselves. That, having been said, the EU is the most advanced sign of the evolution toward world government we yet have. And you know we are DOOMED if we don't achieve it!

My problem is simple: I just know better than everyone-else!

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Post time 2016-4-26 23:38:06 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2016-4-26 11:25
Are you trying to say that the UK is the puss oozing ogre trying to keep the playful Europeans in l ...

The sixties and seventies was a different era here in the UK. There was talk of worker representation on the board of all companies with the workers having an ultimate veto on what was produced. This would have meant a move away from the weapons industry and into more useful peaceful products. There was talk of sharing our knowledge with the third world to help them develop for their needs rather than trying to exploit them. The idea of workers' cooperatives was in the air with the employees owning the means of production and delivery of goods and services. Education was still free at all levels and the NHS was the envy of the world. Doctors, nurses, scientists and engineers would volunteer to go to third world countries to help them develop their own health service and industry, much like what Cuba has been doing but on a larger scale.
The Europeans had similar visions.... with first the aim of convergence through cooperation, all countries in Europe would share a similar standard of living, eliminating rich and poor.

I know that is not how things turned out, and you may be forgiven for holding such negative view of both Britain and Europe, but things could have been different. Evil seems to have an immeasurable appeal, especially when it controls the media and the political scene.
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