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Post time 2014-6-2 18:26:39 |Display all floors
carrying weapons to help protect oneself or others is a very sensible reason for normal people to carry guns.
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KIyer Post time: 2014-6-2 18:24
Observe another difference between the USA and UK - one has an excellent public health service the ...

Why bring health into this? We are talking about guns.

It is your logic that is flawed. If there is less gun crime per capita in the UK with less guns compared with the USA logically less guns means less gun crime, arming everybody does not mean that those people know how to use guns correctly or safely and it does not say that those legal guns will not get into illegal hands.

It also does not figure in the ammount of suicides by legal firearms, in the US 57% of suicides involve firearms and in Switzerland where many legal guns are held it is around 28 %, compare with England at 2.8 %.

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Post time 2014-6-2 18:59:08 |Display all floors
KIyer Post time: 2014-6-2 18:26
carrying weapons to help protect oneself or others is a very sensible reason for normal people to ca ...

Who decides how to protect others? If a woman slaps her husband in the street can someone shot her? If there is a fists only brawlk in the street can you shoot the antagonists to stop them? Your ideas are fraught with danger.

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futsanglung Post time: 2014-6-2 20:59
Who decides how to protect others? If a woman slaps her husband in the street can someone shot her ...

according to your logic then, we should have no means to stop anyone killing someone in front of us at a restaurant, because we might have idiots who will use the gun to stop a wife slapping a man or wise versa?
It is perhaps wise that you and other Britishers who think like you not have guns in any situation... I reckoned the percentage of such would be pretty low in the US or even your UK..

So, you believe the best option is to wait to be sure someone is killed before we can react by calling the poilce. Unfortunately, that is the option most Americans today exercise. They have become like the UKites..
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Post time 2014-6-2 19:13:16 |Display all floors
futsanglung Post time: 2014-6-2 20:57
Why bring health into this? We are talking about guns.

It is your logic that is flawed. If there  ...

Your thinking is blinkered ... when they intend to kill, people do so because of emotions, frustrations, a sense of injustice or no hope for a decent life or resolution. Guns are just a tool - but they do not need be a tool only for the violent and mischief makers. They can be tool to counter those very people, in the hands of good people. Guns are less relevant for the motivation to kill randomly in a society than issues of healthcare or the general feeling about a society - whether it is a caring one or not.

like the UK, countries which have a decent national healthcare, education and social welfare, have less violent crimes and attacks per capita (one cannot completely eliminate nutters, though even more of them could be stopped if most of the goodies in the UK carried guns and used them when needed).

People in more socialistic countries are less likely to be triggered off into a violent attack, not that it will not happen. It will happen less frequently per capita. That is the reason the UK has less violent attacks.
Despite the recent incident in Norway, it will have even less violent crimes than the UK, because they have an even better social structure.
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Post time 2014-6-2 19:40:18 |Display all floors
chessgame Post time: 2014-6-2 15:23
since you never wanted to involve just don't get in between even before or after.what was the need ...

very thoughtful!

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Post time 2014-6-2 20:03:15 |Display all floors
The customers can shout at them, throw chairs at them, the staff there can pour hot water/ ice at them.
A system that cannot nip greed in the bud, this system becomes the breeding ground of crime.

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