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Ron Paul: US has no right to lecture on Ukraine because of Afghan

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former Congressman Ron Paul believe the US should stay out

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up the ukraine here's what he told RT earlier today

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absolutely I don't think we have any business there

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the europeans are involved the russians are involved I i think it would be nice

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if we consider

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the ukrainians I it's their civil strife their civil war in deciding who can run

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a country

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should be left to then unfortunately others get involved in

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seems like it's irresistible for United States to be involved

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but Dad immature the American people right now are starting to do you agree

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with me on this issue there's no sense in us getting involved I we certainly

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don't want to send troops and right now we're outta money

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so this idea that we're gonna start bailing out ukraine

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I is a total nonsense I I don't I don't see how we can afford add nor should I

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wish

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nor should we do it speaking up a bailout the EU

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the news today is offering $15 billion dollars in

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aid to the ukraine what do you think about that is that the right move

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well I and get silly I think it's just a silly as if we offer it because in many

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ways that's what we're doing we're offering it because the dollar still is

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pretty strong compared to other currencies are

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the europeans right now I have to bail out on their own countries like Greece

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and Italy in places like that out

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I'll they have to go and borrow the money we're very much involved I think

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their main goal is to bail out the banks cuz

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a I'm sure the ukrainians owe a lot of money to bank so that's why there's an

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interest in ball

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by if fifteen billion dollars his coming from the EU is also coming from United

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States they're probably also talking about the IMF

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I and the money is just not there makes no sense whatsoever just props a bad

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investment

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you know the one irony of all this is that say they do send some money to

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Ukrainian

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and the EU and United States are supposed to be fighting with Russia

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right now

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well who knows maybe the money will go to the Ukrainian no pay their bills and

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pay for the gas that to her

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that they're getting from Russia so that would be one iron and maybe the bankers

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have that setup

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but the whole thing makes no sense whatsoever from an economic reform from

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a political viewpoint

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it's always buying fruit for controls and I think that's what's going on

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thoroughly the ear with the US see some value in doing that they're gonna make

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this kinda a contribution one ask you i mean what do you think

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america's interests are in Ukraine

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okay american interest in the ukraine are a course I think its financial on

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its its control lawyers I which way

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ukraine's gonna go is gonna go east or west and they don't believe me and a

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self-determination

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they always want America always want their hand in things they have an empire

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to be old and a fan

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and I think it's a it's a mess I don't think we should have an interest if we

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did

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it should be that we should encourage

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the ukrainians to solve their problems at once they have a government we should

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be open to working with them and talking with them in being friends with them in

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trade with them

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but no subsidies and no military and no instruction and don't tell people what

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to do

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that's how we've gotten ourselves into so much trouble and

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this whole idea that is argued that I we have two

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I you know that a that the the russians RB and I blame for

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violation of sovereignty wow that may be up for an argument but

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for us to lecture anybody about violating sovereignty

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I'll what about the sovereignty of Iraq and Afghanistan you're a man yeah man

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and North Africa I we're a constantly being about Pakistani an abusive drunk

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own missiles so I think that they are what I'm talking about is completely

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opposite of what the Republicans and Democrats have talked about

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on this interventionist compulsion to be involved and to expand and protect the

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American Empire

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with that's where we're getting into trouble and I don't see

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any benefit coming from OSH trying to tell other people what to do

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weather is icky I don't think it's good for our national security and certainly

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isn't good for

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our financial security mister Paul some conservatives say the president looks

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weak

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right now that he's not being tough enough when it comes to Russia

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what do you say to that very vocal part in the republican party

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you know I hear that that he he's looking weak I

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happen not to be a fan of the president but

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I if he wants to back off and that is his goal

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they said the same thing about and when he did he say they said he looked weak

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because he didn't

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and a bombing Syria I and for whatever reason he backed off mainly because

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american people sat down

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don't do it but I think I don't consider that weakness sometimes it takes

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strength

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to stand up against the police who want to go and bomb people

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and believe that part of our foreign policy so

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I know I don't think it has anything to do with weakness in hand

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and eyestrain I think it takes a lot of strength and courage

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to resist those people who pressure weathers from the military industrial



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complex or for some other special interest

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there were supposed to be engage so if he were truly backing of

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I would say that takes train I i don't think it's at

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quite that clear I'll be cause a

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so far I under this administration there has been a lot of intervention

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involve the the your server drowns and a

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our presence and Afghanistan so well I think it's a false idea

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to condemn the president because a if he doesn't want to

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take a risk in going into an unnecessary war

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I'll consider that a sign of weakness mister probably

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your position is very clear you advocate small government anti intervention

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is as well you advocate and another congressman that advocates that

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and former Fox News up Congressman Dennis

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cue Senate in he went on: Fox News last night and discussed this complex

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and the Ukraine want to take a listen pursue what he said on the network last

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night

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the US has been involved covertly in behind the scenes with the CIA with the

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National Endowment for Democracy

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and USA ID to stir up trouble when ukraine

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just want to ask you to respond to that I don't quite get all about body said

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something about the CIA and other stirring up trouble

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plan and I think the Jester that is something I would agree with because I

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you know we have special forces in the CIA involved in

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i la two countries we have eight hundred bases around the world were 130

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countries

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we're always involved it seems in somebody else's election

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and I we preach democracy we finally got democracy

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theoretically you know in Egypt out there was election of course we didn't

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like the person they elected

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so we said let's go back to the military so I don't know I don't like hypocrisy

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and I don't think Dennis Kucinich like Papa kersee

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operas to preacher I one thing at the same time behind the scenes

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I we're doing things to stir up trouble for many many different reasons

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now I know that you say that ukraine have the right to self-determination

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that they should figure out

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that this is very complex and they should work this out on their own

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you think that the usual the US should stay out what do you think we should do

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an

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lied about current events what's happening over there with

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Russia invading I mean how do you think

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the US should respond to that action well

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if that area that is more complex because it involves long-term history

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I what the Association uva crimea I and II Ukraine has been with Russia

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I their national security interest certainly are deferred

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I would think that guy sometimes I

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they say well the accusation now is that Russia's position

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he is our you know so aggressive and and so horrible

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but I was I wondering whether he might not have said well why don't we just ask

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george bush what would he do

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if %uh somebody did this to guantanamo you know maybe they want to protect the

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base in guantanamo

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how would we react and so I don't I don't see that

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but that doesn't mean that I endorse it the what does the job

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convenient part about non-intervention is pro-american foreign policy

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is that I don't have to make that determination cuz it is complex

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but I do know that the people more local have more to say about it

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just geographically I would assume that the russians have a morgue justification

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being concerned about

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what's happening in their naval base in the Crimea

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as as compared to United nited States

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and I and for this reason I i think that to

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I there's a bit more the more the outsider stay out a bit

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the fine it would be nice if if summer I could wave a wand idea right okay

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just what the ukrainians the side that what they want to do

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and Europeans and Americans walk away from a fine and dandy but that's not

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likely to happen

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the only thing that I might have an employment even though I'm not an

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official in government anymore

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my advice would be that we should stay out of it and I'm not be a participant

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if the European sir i want to negotiate and and deal with Russia

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I think that's in there but in their backyard

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but theoretically I like small-government

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small unity government self-determination and if you had a

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referendum reflecting that

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you might end up with three countries over there may be loosely

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tied together maybe they would have a confederation but maybe you would have

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in the east and west

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Ukrainian you might have crimea and I and they could go their own way

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I I would think they're that we should

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always like to see smaller units a government I'll update when at the

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soviet union broke up

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how when a twelve other countries just you know seceded from the Soviet Union

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so I want the right of secession in the breaking up and self-determination

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and emphasize local government and other world would be better off or

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unfortunately

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money and politics and banking interests in

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militarism may get involved and they get

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control the strings uva/uvb government and the people

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moos out on these issues so often the people

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who have to fight the wars and I and it was yours they are they are the victims

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so with the restraint a big-government

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that is my goal I think we would have left these kind of problems

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Ron Paul: US has no right to lecture on Ukraine because of Afghan

and Ron Paul is a rumor monger just like you.





I've made my living, Mr. Thompson, in large part as a gambler. Some days I make twenty bets, some days I make none. There are weeks, sometimes months, in fact, when I don't make any bet at all because ...

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Revolutionar Post time: 2014-3-16 09:16
and Ron Paul is a rumor monger just like you.

  Even Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, which is a right-wing publication, has called on President Obama to get tough on Russia. Ron Paul, who is also a Republican, seems to be doing the opposite by slamming Obama's foreign policy, arguing that sanctions on Russia is not a legitimate move.

  Now you know why America is getting weaker?  The two culprits are  partisanship  and Tea-party Movement hatched and bankrolled by the Republic Party and its party faithful. I think it's even fair to say the ties between Sarah Palin, who was the former governor of  Alaska, with Russia and Putin run deep.

  She could be another spook working for Russia.

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tedbrent Post time: 2014-3-16 10:38
Even Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, which is a right-wing publication, has called  ...

The American Republican party is a sick party that needs to be disbanded or at least a revolution.



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Revolutionar Post time: 2014-3-16 10:42
The American Republican party is a sick party that needs to be disbanded or at least a revolution. ...

The Republican Party just needs a  cerebral and intrepid leader who is above plumping for partisanship and gerrymandering. He has to be a charismatic leader able to impress voters with personal charms , sophistication or erudition.

  Obama is a dapper guy who knows how to behave like a gent when voters are around. Yet he is by no means a can-do, brainy leader who knows how to find the right people to get things done. Remember Reagon and Bill Clinton?  They were not truly knowledgable and witty presidents , but they had some exceptional skills that Obama doesn't have: the ability to sound the most reasoned advisers out and trust their suggestions.

Obama seems to have been deluded by his own thinking that he is a lone wolf who needs to overcome adversity by himself. He may be thinking highly of his own diplomatic and managerial skills.

  I think he is no match for Putin when it comes to showing tougness. Putin is a monster in many ways; Obama is just a bleating lamb. If Obama doesn't take a stand and show his willingness to use force to take on Putin, then Putin will simply push Obama's buttons.

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tedbrent Post time: 2014-3-16 10:38
Even Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, which is a right-wing publication, has called  ...

There is no military solution on the cards. Everybody knows it.

All the tough talking is for show. What I don't like is that the tough talking can some times spoof the market.


I've made my living, Mr. Thompson, in large part as a gambler. Some days I make twenty bets, some days I make none. There are weeks, sometimes months, in fact, when I don't make any bet at all because ...

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