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Post time 2013-12-6 11:17:27 |Display all floors
Mandela removed from Terror list

this is an article from 2008 at the BBC website. I just came across it as I was reading the news of his death.

Mandela taken off US terror list
Nelson Mandela was South Africa's first post-apartheid-era president

US President George W Bush has signed a bill removing Nelson Mandela and South African leaders from the US terror watch list, officials say.Mr Mandela and ANC party members will now be able to visit the US without a waiver from the secretary of state. The African National Congress (ANC) was designated as a terrorist organisation by South Africa's old apartheid regime. A US senator said the new legislation was a step towards removing the "shame of dishonouring this great leader". 'Rather embarrassing'Under the legislation, members of the ANC could travel to the United Nations headquarters in New York but not to Washington DC or other parts of the United States. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had called the restrictions a "rather embarrassing matter that I still have to waive in my own counterpart, the foreign minister of South Africa, not to mention the great leader Nelson Mandela." South Africa's apartheid government banned the ANC in 1960, imprisoning or forcing into exile its leaders. Mr Mandela, who turns 90 this month, was released in 1990 after spending 27 years in prison. He then became the country's first post-apartheid-era president, before retiring after serving one term in office.

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Post time 2013-12-7 09:10:08 |Display all floors
Simple Fact of the matter is that he had sanctioned Acts of an ANC organisation that by a multitude of neutral academic definitions constitute terroristic acts. This does not necesserily equate to a condemnation of those acts.
The Definition of the ANC as a terrorist organisation in the past is academically plausible, the resulting legal measures a solely legal or political problem.
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Post time 2013-12-7 09:57:17 |Display all floors
Removing Mr Nelson Mandela from the "list "concluded a ridiculous big drama in the modern world history, and push the drama to its climax, but the funny after-tastes will last for the generations to come.

Peace, fair and justice still wil be the theme of the times.

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Post time 2013-12-7 11:26:07 |Display all floors
snowipine Post time: 2013-12-7 09:57
Removing Mr Nelson Mandela from the "list "concluded a ridiculous big drama in the modern world hist ...

now go read up some judgement neutral academic definitions on terrorism and read up on mandela and acts he had sanctioned.
The issue is with the careless deduction of (pre-)judgements from that.

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Post time 2013-12-7 12:05:32 |Display all floors
This post was edited by KIyer at 2013-12-7 14:08

this was as recent as 2008!! Well after Mr. Mandela became president. It is perhaps laziness (at best) that can explain why it was the he was classified as a terrorist until then and then someone (ironically someone like George Bush!!) grandiosely signs a bill to remove him from the list. But i dont think it was laziness... If one looks at the details of how SA got 'rid' of apartheid and on what terms, and one thinks about it ... it will explain a lot. As they say, go by actions, not the words and show that is put out there..
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Post time 2013-12-7 12:26:31 |Display all floors
This post was edited by robert237 at 2013-12-6 20:28
LCSULLA Post time: 2013-12-6 17:10
Simple Fact of the matter is that he had sanctioned Acts of an ANC organisation that by a multitude  ...

""that by a multitude of neutral academic definitions constitute terroristic acts""

So if you want to go that route then the USA must be classified as a terrorist nation.
After all, if killing millions for their political choices and beliefs isn't an act of terrorism, I don't know what is.
There are millions of surviving communist Vietnamese who will attest to that.


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