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Chinese "patriots" friend or foe?   [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2013-9-25 00:10:18 |Display all floors
Welcome to the Internet.   But on a more positive note, you could come over to the 'blog side' and see how the 'other half' lives.
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tradervic Post time: 2013-9-25 00:10
Welcome to the Internet.   But on a more positive note, you could come over to the 'blog side ...

well said Vic

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1584austin Post time: 2013-9-24 13:54
well said Vic

It is the nature of the beast that is the Internet.   Whether anonymous or full exposed, the 'Monsters of the ID' are alive and well, as I play the Leslie Nielsen role.

{pause for effect}  Name that Movie!
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tradervic Post time: 2013-9-25 09:23
It is the nature of the beast that is the Internet.   Whether anonymous or full exposed, the 'Mons ...

People like this are not worth the effort to respond
Just a bunch of hateful people.
Now I just ignore them.

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UYA Post time: 2013-9-29 13:33
People like this are not worth the effort to respond
Just a bunch of hateful people.
Now I just ig ...

We do what we must.
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i am like you,  an American..  but i have come to the conclusion that blind nationalism comes from ignorance.  and that most times when people travel to other parts of the world  and experiences other cultures and customs they tend to be more resistant to nationalistic polarizations. and they are less likely to fall for extremest notions... it would seem that through the education of people , people start seeing the lies we live with every day..
for me  i was a soldier at one time  and the indoctrination of basic training was intense .. had it not been that i had traveled outside of the usa  as a child and teen,  i am certain that the brainwashing would have been successful and i would still believe that the russians were out to kill everything that moves.. and the slant eyed Chinese commies would kill me on first sight..  
as it turns out  i have a good friend in russia that is russian special forces.  and i married a beautiful Chinese woman 10 years ago and would be happy to move to china .. those murderous  squinty slant eyed commies are now my family  and i am blessed to have them..  they are nothing like what, as a very young man i was told..  and everything i have come to love and respect..

the indoctrination process is useful for the purpose of aligning people into a motivational state  where a common enemy is defined  and therefor a common purpose can be focused upon.. it is useful to have ignorant subjects to use.. and that is why the military does not recruite people over 30 .. people over 30 tend to be more secure in themselves and are less susceptible to fear based indoctrination without questioning the source..
the communist fear in our government is still present within our society.. due mostly to the paranoia and fear-mongering of the Macarthy  trials  and the investigations into un-american activities of the 50's  which was much adoo about nothing  and a purely political ploy to deprive the rights of American citizens that disagreed with the capitalist system... which is still their right..  ( confusing)
whatever the case  it is a common position with any government to suppress ( oppress ) any decent that looks to be gaining popularity.. where that decent is in direct opposition to the goals of the people in power of that government...
when i visit china  i act like a guest  in that country .. because i am a guest of that country my rights are limited and i agreed to that .. i have no expectations of the freedoms i expect as my rights in the usa  where i am a citizen..  i have no rights to complain about how others are treated.. ( i have not seen many breeches of rights in china during the last 3 years of travels .)  i am an observer.. not a participant..

while the reverse is true in America.. i expect that i have both rights and responsibilities in the usa.. but that does not mean that i turn a blind eye to the blackness in my government.. in fact  as a citizen i have a duty to hold my government accountable for its action .. as i represent my nation when i travel , my nation represents me when it does things abroad as well..  and lately i am very ashamed to be an American because of the criminal acts of the leaders of my government.. and believe that they should be arrested and tried for treason and murder for the actions they have done.. but due to the fear  and ignorance  instilled into my fellow citizens  i  alone can do very little about it.. and i have learned that when i as an individual stand up alone very bad things happen ..
to some i am a patriot  to others i am an enemy of the state.. and in both cases those statements could be true..  as a patriot i have a duty to remove the corruption with in my government.. and in doing so i become an enemy of a corrupt state..  whatever position i am .. alone  and without critical mass of others .. i would be an easy nail to pound should i stand up alone ..  so i watch and wait...  i fit in and stay quiet.. and learn and discuss the problems i see..
i recognize the futility of my position.. i must balance my nationalistic views with the reality of the world..  and i see people like myself in every country i visit.. i see that i am not unique.. and in fact there is an undertone  of public disgust of our corrupt government.. and is at the verge of civil war..  a place i fear..  and as a person of thought and conscience  i feel that i should simply let the chips fall where they may..  i will not pick up a gun and fight.. not so much because i am not allowed to own one after my government robbed me of my rights.. but because of it..  they do not deserve my support  because they robbed me of my rights..  and they continue to rob others  of their rights every day with impunity....  they will suffer by their own hands..

it is said the the purpose of government is to expand  and protect the rights of its citizens..
unfortunately  power corrupts even the best of people..   and some say the the path to hell is paved with good intentions..
it is an eventuality that all governments will predate on its own people .. and after a time those people will revolt.. and reset the government...for good or bad  it will change..
  i am waiting .. and watching .. and staying silent to avoid the big hammer of the American government ..

the question of friend or foe tends to only be answered by where you stand and what timing as to do with your perspective..
it also has a great deal to do with the.. education and intelligence of those who are acting as such and why ..  the question is complex..  and i can only hope that those who are those who are tossing around nationalistic notions on both sides of the pond  re-examine their reasons for doing so..
because at the end of the day the nation state means nothing.. china , usa, russia, england  what ever country you come from  the name means nothing.. it is the people that matter  the way we treat each other is the only concern.. more importantly  it is how we choose to resolve our differences that make the real difference in how we get along.. i can only represent myself.. and recommend to others my way .. if i am wise i will ask others to learn their ways.. so that i can harmonize with my ideals.. and find a workable way with all parties..  my country no longer represents me.. and i am far too good of a person to allow my government to be represented by me.. blind nationalism is foolish..

i feel more at home and welcome in china than i do in my own country .. and that is a sad situation..

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Post time 2013-11-22 08:04:52 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Ted180 at 2013-11-21 19:21
seneca Post time: 2013-7-24 07:26
Well, patriotism is often a pretext and it is the wrong word: these people are nationalists, and we  ...

Yes. I've noticed that the other nationalists DO drop out. Well .... it's becoming sort of a two-power world for the time-being. If they get along, it could work out very well. But it does seem to me, that, over the 6 months I've been on CD, there's been some reduction of wild nationalism from both American and Chinese bloggers. To me, this suggests that this CD site is having a good effect. Frequent contacts with "the other side" seem to eventually decrease fear and hostility. This is a use of the internet the effectiveness of which I had not been aware before. What makes CD so effective is its formation of groups, and the way it allows friendships to develop. Also the wide variety of topics - going well beyond politics and world affairs. I alsoblog on Al Jazeera English, Moscow Daily News, Washington Post, and and Israel's Jerusalem News. None of them are as effective as China Daily.
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