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Post time 2013-8-1 13:42:06 |Display all floors
The retard wrote:
>Leaving Zheng He's marauding, fear-projecting voyages ...  aside<

No, why leave aside? Readers here should go ahead and discuss Cheng He's voyages and compare their consequences with those European voyages of pillage and plunder and worse, the grabbing of lands from the natives on a permanent basis. This happened on continental scale and was the basis of what is now called SETTLER COLONIALISM, the most vicious form of colonialism as it required the extermination of native peoples. As a start, below are excerpts from Margaret D. Jacobs' "White Mother to a Dark Race: Settler Colonialism, Maternalism, and the Removal of Indigenous Children in the American West and Australia" (University of Nebraska Press, 2009):

"...The ultimate goal of settler colonialism — the acquisition of land — lends itself to violence. As Patrick Wolfe writes, the settler colony’s “aim is the replacement of native society ... Its governing logic is one of elimination” rather than incorporation of indigenous peoples ... Indigenous people in settler colonies were not necessary or desired as laborers; to lay claim to their lands, the state sought instead to effect their disappearance. Therefore, policies of exclusion and segregation became central to the development and administration of settler colonies, at least in the first phase of colonization. As we shall see, indigenous child removal
constituted another crucial way to eliminate indigenous people, both in a cultural and a biological sense....."

This book has described settler colonialism with very mild words - more to come from authors such as Zinn and Stannard.

Note: the taking away of children from their families continued until as recently as the 1970s - in the US Navaho children, if I remember rightly, were the main victims.

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Post time 2013-8-2 18:24:43 |Display all floors
This post was edited by LawrenceD at 2013-8-2 18:34

Ah, the semi-literate punk is at it again, mouthing demented claims without any citations whatsoever. And there's more than a touch of insanity in the claim that the British brought "modern concepts of sanitation, city life, education," etc., etc. When idiocy meets ignorance, what we get is unmitigated impudence. When, during the Han dynasty or more popularly during the Song dynasty China already had toilet stalls in cities and towns, the Anglo-Saxons were still randomly peeing at the roadside or defecating without paper to wipe their asses. Not too long ago, a Tang child's diary, full of lament about homework, was found in the western part of Sinkiang - that's nearly 2,000 years ago, before there was an "England" and Englishers largely ignorant savages. Admittedly, the "schools" were more like small classes with limited number of tutors, but the first modernistic form of schooling - where children sat in rows facing the instructor - were already flourishing during the Song and that's many, many centuries before the West, not to say the barbaric Anglo-Saxon societies, had anything of the kind. And we already had pharmaceutical books before printing was even invented in Europe, not to mention Song Ci, the Song dynasty physician who wrote the first book on forensic medicine in world history.

The British imperialists were the greatest curse not only on the Chinese people, but also on India and much of the world. It was after the Opium wars that Chinese life-expectancy fell to about 30 or so years - less than 25 years if we look at the poorer segments of Chinese society. Mike Davis' "Victorian Holocausts" stated:

"....the eighteenth century was a golden age (in China) for theoretical and historical work on flood control and canal construction. Civil engineers were canonized and had temples erected in their honor. Confucian activists like Guancheng, with a deep commitment to agricultural intensification, 'tended to give top priority to investments in infrastructure and to consider the organization of food relief merely a makeshift.' Guancheng also wrote a famous manual ... that codified historically tested principles of disaster planning and relief managment: something else that has little precedent in backward European tradition ....

"Unlike their contemporary French counterparts, the farmers of the Yellow River plain (the vast majority of whom owned their land) were neither crushed by exorbitant taxes nor ground down by feudal rents. North China, in particular, was unprecedentedly prosperous by historical standards ... the percentage of the rural population ordinarily living near the edge of starvation - depending, for example, on husks and wild vegetables for a substantia] part of their diet - was less than 2 percent. As a result, epidemic disease, unlike in Europe, was held in check for most of the 'Golden Age.'"

Though the West was catching up in national development, according to Bairoch and later Maddison, "differences in income and wealth ... were relatively slight" (before then, there was, most of the time, simply no comparison in wealth or average life expectancy between the West and China).

Said Bairoch: "It is very likely that, in the middle of the eighteenth century, the average standard of living in Europe was a little bit LOWER than that of the rest of the world. When the sans culottes stormed the Bastille, the largest manufacturing districts in the world were still the Yangzi Delta and Bengal, with Lingan (modern Guangdong and Guangxi) and coastal Madras not far behind." India alone produced one-quarter of world manufactures, and while its "pre-capitalist agrarian labour productivity was probably less than the Japanese-Chinese level, its commercial capital surpassed that of the Chinese."

According the Davis, Prasannan Parthasarathi stated that the stereotype of the Indian laborer as a half-starved wretch in a loincloth collapses in the face of new data about comparative standards of living:"Indeed, there is compelling evidence that South Indian labourers had higher earnings than their British counterparts in the eighteenth century and lived lives of greater financial security." Because the productivity of land was higher in South India, weavers and other artisans enjoyed better diets than average Europeans. More importantly, their unemployment rates tended to be lower because they possessed superior rights of contract and exercised more economic power. But even outcaste agricultural labourers in Madras earned more in real terms than English farm laborers."

Davis continued:
" the recent forum 'Re-thinking 18th Century China,' Kenneth Pomcranz points to evidence that ordinary Chinese enjoyed a higher standard of consumption than eighteenth-century Europeans: Chinese life expectancy (and thus nutrition) was at roughly English levels (and so above Continental ones) EVEN in the late 1700s. (Chinese fertility was actually lower than Europe's between 1550 and 1850, while its population grew faster; thus mortality must have been low.) Moreover, my estimates of 'non-essential' consumption come out surprisingly high. Sugar consumption works out to between 4.3 and 5.0 pounds per capita ca. 1750 - and much higher in some regions - compared with barely 2 pounds per capita for Europe. China circa 1750 seems to have produced 6-8
lbs. of cotton cloth per capita; its richest area, the Yangzi Delta (population roughly 31 million), probably produced between 12 and 15 lbs. per capita. The UK, even in 1800, produced roughly 13 lbs. of cotton, linen and wool cloth combined per resident, and Continental output was probably below China's."

Will discuss how British aggression, far from "bringing modern concepts" in this or that, destroyed China and India and turned them into Third World nations, later.

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Post time 2013-8-5 19:25:04 |Display all floors
seneca Post time: 2013-7-30 16:12
In life every skill matters. Since you have absolutely no skill, zero knowledge and there is no us ...

You mean you live in China because of your skill in cheating for visa?

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Post time 2013-8-5 19:27:00 |Display all floors
seneca Post time: 2013-7-30 16:15
As I stated before, officially there are over 4 million Native Americans. It goes without saying t ...

Ahh yes, 4 millions out of hundred of millions latecomers.

The poor native Americans became minorities in their own land since European colonialists slaughtered them.

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Post time 2013-8-8 21:36:45 |Display all floors
I wrote:
“Will discuss how British aggression, far from "bringing modern concepts" in this or that, destroyed China and India and turned them into Third World nations, later.”

The above statement indicates that what the British did in China was not something unique. Rather, it was all within the national character of the Anglo-Saxons, though not ALL Anglo-Saxons are necessarily bloodthirsty or even expansionist – the evil traits had been strongly reinforced by  capitalism which as Lenin noted is the last stage of imperialism. That constant and eternal need for ever new resources makes it difficult to avoid the subjugation and ultimately the extermination of other peoples and civilizations, not to mention a worsening  environment that played a large role in today’s climate change.

It is therefore not surprising that British atrocities in India should’ve begun with a corporation – the Governor and Company of Merchants of London Trading into the East Indies of the 1600s, otherwise known as the British East India Company.  An Indian website (only excerpts here) noted:

"…Educated Indians are aware of the ghastly 2-century imposition of British colonialism on India. However, because history is generally written by non-scientists, most Indians are utterly unaware of the horrendous human cost (1.8 billion violent and non-violent avoidable deaths in the period 1757-1947).

"Under British rule, Indian cultivators were forced to produce for export, and heavily taxed while denied necessary infrastucture, like roads, to move their products to market. As one observer noted, “In this predicament, the cargo of cotton lies sometimes for weeks on the ground, and the merchant is ruined"....

"The British deliberately caused famines in India, in order to force the indigenous population into relief works, such as road-building...Queen Victoria, Empress of India, ruled over a people broken by poverty, inhumane treatment, famines, and despair. As one British author wrote: “And this occurred in British India… Nor was the event extraordinary and unforeseen. Far from it: 1835-36 witnessed a famine in the northern provinces; 1833 beheld one to the eastward; 1822-23 saw one in the Deccan. They have continued to increase in frequency and extent under our sway for more than half a century.

"During the terrible famine of 1838, according to one reporter, millions of pounds of rice and other edible grains were exported from Calcutta, to feed the kidnapped Indian Coolies, who had been sent to the Mauritius, to work in the fields."
The Indian Holocaust caused during the British rule included the more than 29 famines from 1769 to 1943, of which the man-made ones, meaning famines due to British negligence and other forms of bad governance as well as INTENTIONAL STARVATION imposed by Britain on Indians, amounted to about 85 million.

The article went on:
"The figures ... do not include the epidemics induced by famines, Anglo-Indian Wars, Indians killed fighting for the British, Freedom Fighters martyred by the British...If all these are included the figures reaches over 1.8 Billion mark "(ignored by Anglo Media).

To be continued.

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Post time 2013-8-8 22:53:07 |Display all floors
An example of what I meant by the bloodthirstiness that's "within" the Anglo-Saxon character...
Excerpts from:

Churchill’s Crimes From Indian Holocaust To Palestinian Genocide
By Gideon Polya

In WW2 Churchill deliberately starved 6-7 million Indians to death, continued to foster Muslim-Hindu antipathy that led to the horrors of Indian Partition and persuaded his War Cabinet on racist Partition of Palestine. Yet the holocaust-complicit Anglo media, academic and politician Establishment is still in denial.

Last year I published an article ... entitled “Media lying over Churchill’s crimes. British-Indian Holocaust” in which I summarized 15 major crimes in which Winston Churchill was COMPLICIT (notwithstanding that he is deservedly our hero for leadership in the fight against Nazism).

Before this article was published, a Yahoo or Google search for the phrase “Churchill’s crimes” yielded about three (3) articles about Winston Churchill’s crimes – an extraordinary testament to the Soviet-style effectiveness of Anglo mainstream media, academic and politician lying, censorship, self-censorship, ignoring and denial.

After publication of my article ... a Yahoo search for the phrase “Churchill’s crimes” yielded a peak of 35,000 URLs which has shrunk (no doubt due to more Bush, neo-cons, and Zionist Anglo censorship) to 17,400. Indeed pro-Zionist Google censorship – deliberate LYING by omission - means that a Google search for the phrase “Churchill’s crimes” now yields 999 URLs and the direct link to my evidently extremely high-impact article is completely missing.

For your convenience, I have simply listed below an expanded list of immense crimes in which Churchill was complicit as a racist soldier, politician, mass murderer and holocaust-denying writer – indeed he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953 for his numerous published works, especially his six-edition set The Second World War in which he ignored his deliberate, remorseless murder of 6-7 million Indians in 1943-1945 ...

1. British Indian Holocaust (1.8 billion excess deaths, 1757-1947; 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine; 6-7 million starved under Churchill, Bengali Holocaust 1943-1945].

2. Sudan atrocities [horrendous British atrocities after the Battle of Obdurman 1898].

3. Boer (Afrikaaner) Genocide [28,000 Afrikaaner women and children died in British concentration camps, 1899-1902].

4. World War 1 promotion [World War I Allied military and civilian dead 5.7 million and 3.7 million, respectively; German-allied (Central Powers) military and civilian deaths 4.0 million and 5.2 million; troop movement-exacerbated Spanish Flu Epidemic killed 20-100 million people world wide. 1918-1922].

5. WW1 Dardanelles Campaign in Turkey [0.2 million Allied and Turkish soldiers killed, 1915; precipitated 1915-1923 Turkish Armenian Genocide, 1.5 million Armenians killed].

6. UK and US invasion of Russia 1917-1919 [millions died in the Russian Civil War and the subsequent Russian Famine; 7 million died in the circa 1930 Ukrainian Famine; and perhaps up to 20 million died overall in Stalinist atrocities].

7. British suppression of the Arab revolt in Iraq (invaded by Britain in 1914) [bombing of Kurds, poison gas use (1920s); violent UK involvement on and off , 1914-2009; 1990-2008 Iraqi excess deaths 4 million; under-5 infant deaths 1.8 million; refugees currently 6 million].

8. Support for British Occupation and opposition to Indian self-determination [1757-1947 excess deaths, 1.8 billion; 1895-1897 famine deaths1 million; 1899-1900 Indian Famine, deaths6-9 million deaths; 1943-1945 Bengali Holocaust deaths 6-7 million].

9. World War 2 promotion [World War 2 military deaths 25 million and civilian deaths about 67 million].

10. Promotion of Japan entry into World War 2 in order to involve the US and hence ensure victory [35 million Chinese avoidable deaths, 1937-1945; 6-7 million Indians starved, Bengal 1943-1945; millions more died in the WW2 Eastern Theatre].

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Continue from above:

11. Churchill knew Singapore was indefensible [8,000-15,000 killed, 130,000 captured in the 1941 Malaya campaign; 14,000 Australian, 16,000 British and 32,000 Indian troops surrendered in Singapore].

12. Churchill deliberately did not warn Americans about Pearl Harbor attack [Eastern Theatre WW2 deaths 45 million].

13. WW2 Bengal Holocaust, Bengal Famine [deliberate starving to death of of 6-7 million Indians; confessed by Churchill in a letter to Roosevelt].

14. Churchill rejected top scientific advice and supported bombing of German cities instead of protecting Atlantic convoys [0.16 million allied airmen killed; 0.6 million German civilians killed; Battle of the Atlantic almost lost; 7 million dead from famine in the Indian Ocean region related to halving of Allied shipping in 1943].

15. Churchill acknowledged the crucial importance of maintaining Hindu-Muslim antipathy to preserve British rule [1 million dead and 18 million Muslim and Hindu refugees associated with India-Pakistan Partition in 1947].

16. 1944 UK War Cabinet decision Partition of Palestine [in 1878, Jews were 5% of the Palestine population; in 1948 Jews were 1/3 of the population; there are now over 7 million Palestinian refugees; post-1967 Occupied Palestinian excess deaths 0.3 million, post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; excess deaths in countries partially or completely occupied by Apartheid Israel now total about 24 million; 4 million Occupied Palestinians are still illegally and abusively imprisoned by racist Zionists in their own country].

17. UK rejection of 1944 Brand plan to save Hungarian Jews [0.2-0.4 million killed by Nazis and Arrow Cross fascists out of 0.7 million; Zionists also opposed the Brand plan]

18. British, American, Zionist, Australian and European adoption of Churchill's holocaust commission and holocaust denying legacy, with post-war atrocities involving invasion, occupation, devastation and genocide [in relation to Occupiers (in parenthesis) 1950-2005 excess deaths in post-1945 occupied countries total 2 million (white Australia), 36 million (Belgium), 142 million (France), 24 million (Apartheid Israel), 0.7 million (Apartheid South Africa), 23 million (Portugal), 37 million (Russia), 9 million (Spain), 727 million (the UK) and 82 million (the US); 25 million Indigenous excess deaths in post-1950 US Asian Wars; 9-11 million excess deaths associated with 1990-2008 Bush Wars; post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Iraq 2 million, refugees 6 million; post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Afghanistan 4-6 million, refugees 4 million].

To paraphrase mathematician satirist Tom Lehrer’s song “The Elements”, “These are the only Churchill crimes currently known to Harvard/But there may be many others that haven’t been discARvered”.

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