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Post time 2013-7-30 18:23:36 |Display all floors
seneca Post time: 2013-7-30 16:15
As I stated before, officially there are over 4 million Native Americans. It goes without saying t ...
In China cultural differences and languages have kept different natives from mixing up with other peoples.


How can you say this and then follow it by this?

The Chinese conquerors of yore resorted to blanket genocides and ethnic cleansings, brutal assimilations or exiling of entire nationalities.


Seems one would cancel out the other.  If there was brutal assimilation, that there would not be language and cultural barriers.

The fact that there still are language and culture barriers stands against the notion of assimilation.

Native americans WERE brutally assimilated even though they had some sovereignty on their reservations.  They were forced to attend US schools and learn in english.   The result is that many of the native languages are dying.  The children don't speak it - never learn it.

  
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any country can be a meltin pot just as long as there somethin for dem to do & not too much policin around just like one big happy happy family (even my big family is complicated sometime you kno how the viets are)  
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JFenix wrote: "Seems one would cancel out the other.  If there was brutal assimilation, that there would not be language and cultural barriers....The fact that there still are language and culture barriers stands against the notion of assimilation."

Exactly. But we cannot expect logic from a retard and a habitual liar. Notice the earlier postings in which Qin Shi-huang's unification of China was distorted into an extermination of non-Chinese tribes, when in reality Sinic culture tended to be more pronounced in the most of the tribes invaded by Qin than Qin itself. That in fact could be one reason why the short-lived Qin emperor was against Confucius: the Sage's works, including perhaps the Spring and Autumn Annals, as well as Sun Tzu's Art of War and other great philosophers who'd lived centuries before the unification of states by Qin Shi-huang, were popular in most of the states, and such works certainly overshadowed the literary and philosophical contributions of the small northwestern Qin state. In short, what was later called Sinic culture was already the common culture of large numbers of states. Qin's unification efforts were thus not that difficult: he never needed to enforce a new language - he merely insisted that the writing be standardized, while spoken forms were left to each state or region, which is why even today people in many regions, including Western and Southern China, have difficulty listening to audio recordings of Chairman Mao's proclamation of the People's Republic on October 1, 1949 (though we could still catch the gist of what he was saying). Our people's unification was, of course, over 2,000 years old, and the Han and Tang dynasties have built on this unity that lasted to this day.

Our ancient history was quite unlike what happened when the Anglo-Saxons wiped out large numbers of the Celtic peoples from the British Isle, at around 500 AD. There, the Germanic invaders eliminated entire communities of Celtic peoples, driving the remaining survivors to the West - the modern day states of Wales, Ireland, and Scotland. Language enforcement was therefore an easy matter: there were few Celtics left in England to speak their own language, much like the Australian bushmen or the Native Americans today. As you said, JFenix:

"Native americans WERE brutally assimilated even though they had some sovereignty on their reservations.  They were forced to attend US schools and learn in english.   The result is that many of the native languages are dying.  The children don't speak it - never learn it."

More on the language matter - from books such as Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and other sources later.

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Post time 2013-7-30 23:31:09 |Display all floors
LawrenceD Post time: 2013-7-30 22:07
JFenix wrote: "Seems one would cancel out the other.  If there was brutal assimilation, that there w ...

There are pros and cons to assimilation - even if brutal.

For future generations it means they are better equipped to compete with the majority if they can speak the language.



  
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Post time 2013-7-31 02:40:26 |Display all floors
Ah, another brain-dead comment here:
>The figure is irrelvent, native american weren't killed off in genocides, but by plague.<

A punk had earlier claimed that Europe's Black Death originated from China and by implication China was a more unhealthy place than Europe, etc. If China was full of diseases as claimed, it is astonishing that Cheng He's ships, which sailed to Southeast Asia, India, the Middle East, and Africa and possibly rounded the Cape of Good Hope, did not also cause untold numbers of deaths to peoples who might not be immune to certain diseases.

There's no doubt that diseases could cause much deaths among Native Americans. There is, however, even less doubt that at times, the diseases were DELIBERATELY used to infect the Indians in order to depopulate them. The desire to kill off Indians are too well documented to be denied. Below are a few instances:

Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan at Head-Quarters May 31, 1779

The Expedition you are appointed to command is to be directed against the hostile tribes
of the Six Nations of Indians, with their associates and adherents. The immediate objects are the TOTAL destruction and devastation of their settlements, and the capture of as many prisoners of EVERY AGE and SEX as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops now in the ground and prevent their planting more.

I would recommend, that some post in the center of the Indian Country, should be occupied with all expedition, with a sufficient quantity of provisions whence parties should be detached to LAY WASTE all the settlements around, with instructions to do it in the most effectual manner, that the country MAY NOT BE MERELY OVERRUN, but DESTROYED.

But you will NOT by any means listen to ANY OVERTURE OF PEACE before the total ruinment of their settlements is effected. Our future security will be in their inability to injure us and in the TERROR with which the severity of the chastisement they receive will inspire them.
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Besides killing and mutilating the Indians, Sullivan's troops also burned down all the Iroquois villages, destroyed all their corn and thousands of fruit trees. Such tactics were repeated in many later wars, including the Vietnam War. When the so-called Revolutionary War ended with a British defeat, all the Indian lands were taken away, regardless whether they supported the British or the Americans and in about a generation or two, the entire native nations that had lived for centuries east of the Mississippi had been either removed or exterminated (Gary B. Nash,The Unknown American Revolution, New York, Viking Penguin, 2005).
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On November 29, 1864, a force of about 700 Colorado Territory militia members were told to kill all the Cheyenne and Arapaho Indians in their Colorado village, including children. They did, and mutilated many of them as well.
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More examples of the US psychopathic killers from
http://www.danielnpaul.com/AmericanIndiansGenocide.html

“The people of our Frontier carry on private expeditions against the Indians, and kill them whenever they meet them. And I do not believe there is a jury in all of Kentucky who would punish a man for it.” - John H. - Major, U.S .Army

“Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians. I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s Heaven to kill them.” - Colonel John Chivington

"No state can achieve proper culture, civilization, and progress ... as long as Indians are permitted to remain." U.S. President Martin Van Buren, 1837.

Some excerpts from David Stannard's "American Holocaust":

The extraordinary outpouring of recent scholarship that has analyzed the deadly impact of the Old World on the New has employed a novel array of research techniques to identify introduced disease as the primary cause of the Indians' great population decline. As one of the pioneers in this research put it twenty years ago, the natives' "most hideous" enemies were not the European invaders themselves, "but the invisible killers which those men brought in their blood and breath." It is true, in a plainly quantitative sense of body counting, that the barrage of disease unleashed by the Europeans among the so-called "virgin soil" populations of the Americas caused more deaths than any other single force of destruction. However, by focusing almost entirely on disease, by displacing responsibility for the mass killing onto an army of invading microbes, contemporary authors increasingly have created the impression that the eradication of those tens of millions of people was inadvertent---a sad, but both inevitable and "unintended consequence" of human migration and progress. This is a modern version of what Alexander Saxton recently has described as the "softside of anti-Indian racism" that emerged in America in the nineteenth century and that incorporated "expressions of regret over the fate of Indians into narratives that traced the inevitability of their extinction. Ideologically," Saxton adds, "the effect was to exonerate individuals, parties, nations, of any moral blame for what history had decreed."

....From almost the instant of first human contact between Europe and the Americas firestorms of microbial pestilence and purposeful genocide began laying waste the American natives. Although at times operating independently, for most of the long centuries of devastation that followed 1492, disease and genocide were interdependent forces acting dynamically-
whipsawing their victims between plague and violence, each one
feeding upon the other....
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Post time 2013-7-31 16:21:53 |Display all floors
A Chinese friend took me to lunch,  I said,  Look I'm the only foriengor here.
He replied..  no your not  that one is from Hunaun,  that one  Sisyuan,  that one is canton,
and I am from Jinxi.   (xcuse my speling)
This is Shenzhen. almost everybody cane from somewhere else.
  China is the western name given for ceramics that were exported !!  The Chinese name translates  roughly to "Middle world"  meaning this is where aprox 70 different bloodlines  came from to migrate throughout Asia and into the Unknown world,   (N & S America's)  China is made up of many provinces and different ethnic varieties. They may not be able to communicate.

In conclusion;  China is a mixing bowl,  and I am well received..  Thanks..

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