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Ho Chi Minh: All Men Equal ... !!   [Copy link] 中文

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exportedkiwi Post time: 2013-2-14 03:37
And Coventry?

The first bombing of cities was done by the British in the Ruhr on civilian industrial towns in May 1940 and were seen as the equivalent of ‘terror raids’ due to inadequate bomb sights.  In August the Luftwaffe began bombing London and again due to inaccuracy destroyed civilian areas despite Hitler’s order not to bomb civilians, this led on to more RAF inaccurate attacks on Tempelhoff and Siemensstadt and seen as again indiscriminate and the gloves were off. This was 1940 and the technology was very primitive for aerial bombing.

Coventry was a fully fledged industrial city producing munitions and 25% of all planes and this was bombed with incendiaries and heavy bombs which were designed to destroy utilities and infrastructure.

The raids did plenty of damage but were too small to create wholesale destruction. Additionally, by October the Germans had the means to more accurately find their targets with pathfinder aircraft that accurately marked the target and also the bombers were much smaller and therefore so was the payload. This in effect meant that ground crews could control the fires a little better.

Fast forward to early 1945 where the bombers were much bigger and so were the payloads and additionally the technology was far more advanced for accuracy than in 1940.

Dresden was a cultural city a bit like Edinburgh and had some manufacture on the outskirts such as Zies and other small manufacturing units making gauges and although important in war not the big factories as in the industrial belts. Dresden was however a communication and transport hub and Stalin was at the Oder and wanted German reinforcements to be blocked from going east.  Dresden was also a place which had hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing west from the Russians and was full of people.

From a military perspective the raid should have disrupted communications, blocked roads with refugees, destroyed the outer city manufacture and taken down the bridges. But it did not. It was focused on the heart of Dresden where the people were and left the bridges and communications intact. One might say it relieved the area of so many people by eliminating them and thus enabling the German reinforcements to move to the Russian front giving the western front less fighting to do. The scale of the raid and the intensity was such that it destroyed 90% of the city centre. The tonnage dropped on 14/15th Feb was 4,000 and of this 2,600 was dropped in the heart of the city with the balance doing little to sporadic damage to the industrial area or marshalling yards. The effect of so many incendiaries and block-busters meant that people did not just get blown up, but that the very air was sucked out of the city centre and people died of asphyxia no matter where they were in that area.

The object of war can be varied and sometimes not obvious, but what is obvious is that this raid was not designed to damage road, rail and communications as they remained intact  but rather to cause the maximum loss of life in a cultural city centre.

I personally believe that it was payback for the Ardennes offensive and it also meant that reinforcement German divisions were able to go east instead of staying in the west.


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expatter Post time: 2013-2-12 21:02
1956 when free elections were on the table in the North and South ..........

Yes, they we ...

So the U.S propaganda was clearly more effective than the communist propaganda.

Do you agree with the main point of my comment that Ho Chi Minh had good ideals but used terrible methods in their pursuit?
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Prometheus2 Post time: 2013-2-14 13:15
So the U.S propaganda was clearly more effective than the communist propaganda.

Do you agree with ...
So the U.S propaganda was clearly more effective than the communist propaganda.


That does not necessarily follow in that we do not know how many Catholics would have left by their our volition due to their religion. Certainly, the promise of a better life and money will entice many and that normally comes under commercialism rather than swayed by propaganda .........

And example might be the 10 Pound scheme in the 60's to get Brits to Australia called 'Big Brother' and surely they never called that propaganda .......  ?


Also I think you are confused here in your chronology ..........

The elections were due in 1956 and the campaign by the US to entice the Catholics south was prior to this  .........

Following the post 1956 stated election time the north instituted land reform which was in some instances brutal and unpopular for many. This was stopped and Minh even apologized and gave back the land in required instances ........

To conflate these two events into one is clearly just from propaganda somewhere  ........  !

So yes, he had good ideals but he was also a realist in how far one could take this  ........



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Jolt?? Hmmm, ask Google what is Jolt.

OMG i didn't know they were making this powerful medicine~ ...

you mean my kup of koffee tastin that bad but i needed especially in the mornin for me (psychologically)  
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He unfortunately never got the chance to lead his country

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