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seneca Post time: 2012-6-8 19:35
the Chinese thought coppers fear the truth and words that might be at odds with the off ...
The main idea or tenet of this thread is the disparity by the media in relation to the 1948 Palestine events and the 1949 China events, and how these two have been so disproportionately represented in the ‘western media’.
“Anyway, the DL didn't call for "independence" in Strasbourg. You must have been misinformed. This happens to members of the most intelligent families somtimes, you know.”
This idea of the Dalai Lama and whether he called for ‘independence’ is a matter of how one views it. Certainly, he did not call for independence in the Strasbourg Proposals, and I do not believe that I stated that. He has however on many occasions (despite his talk of autonomy) discussed in many speeches (available if necessary) the support of the independence of the Tibetan people and their struggle against the ‘oppressors’.
From your article:
Mr. Wangdi said the Chinese objected to the composition of the team the Dalai Lama had proposed sending to formal talks. The Chinese also say that the Dalai Lama's suggestion that Tibet become an associated state of China - it is now called an autonomous region - was unacceptable.
The bone of contention there is obviously, ‘an associated state of China’, which is an ambiguity in the first place, and again as you say “..misinformation. Which can happen to members of the most intelligent families”.
The D L merely asked publicly that Deng Xiaoping cut back on the Draconian emergency rule that at that time was being exercised over the region, and that he enter into negotiations with members of the D L group.
This is where you have completely ignored the Strasbourg Proposals.
The main ideals in this were:
1) The whole of the Tibet region, some 25% of China’s land surface and not just the original small part (inner Tibet) where Lhasa is, and being the original much smaller 1949 fiefdom of the Dalai Lama.
2) The complete withdrawal of all PRC military units.
3) The complete withdrawal of all Han people from the region.
I do not think you have to come from an ‘intelligent’ family to see that these are ridiculous and impossible claims. As for the latter, no one in the countries which support the Dalai Lama would ever take seriously or even consider the idea of removing their own selected settled immigrants based on a whim. Their very own human rights organizations would have a field day with something akin to ‘Pakis go home!’
Here is a snippet from a speech in Assembly:
March 10, 1961: "The Tibetan people reasserted their Tibetan independence... I appeal to the sponsors and to the Assembly to get the Chinese to vacate their aggression and to help restore the independence of Tibet."
"Restore the independence of Tibet” ?
I think that is a pretty clear call for that same independence ............