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Post time 2011-10-24 19:27:35 |Display all floors
Originally posted by Kiki1971 at 2011-10-22 22:29

Dear Whampoa,
you misunderstood my comment.Pls don't speak for all Chinese ppl,we don't all share same thoughts with you.
Don't get emotional because I disagree with you,of course I want justice for Yue Yue,in the case of the piano kid that you bring up,I was against death penalty,but he was very much guilty and deserved at least life sentence.


Thank you for the clarification.  When I say I am a Chinese and I know the Chinese people, I am not saying that I speak for the Chinese people or any of them.  I don't have the intention to do so either, or I wouldn't ask for your views, would I ??  

I am fine with disagreement as I have also disagreed.  

So, the "piano kid"?  As your words confirm, you seem to support the sentence for the "piano kid".  Is that what you want ?


Let me tell you my thoughts.  When I first heard the news over the TV that the "piano kid" will be executed, I felt a chilling.  I read about the stabbing, but why did I feel the chilling ?  The boy was only 20 years old or about.  He was not one of those who sold tainted milk for children.  Yet, he was punished like any hard-core criminal.  Is there no second chance for him ?


You said that he was "very much guilty" and deserved a life sentence at the least.

"very much guilty" ??  Because you saw the killing on camera?  But


(1) have you asked "WHY he killed ?"

(2) have you asked "WAS he himself when he killed ?"

(3) have you asked "HAD he been himself, would he kill ?"


If the answers to the 3 questions are --

(1) YES, he killed because he feared the pressure of having to pay compensation if she was alive, which could mean big money ($$).


(2) NO, he wasn't himself.  He feared and he panicked, more so he was obsessed by the pressure of paying compensation ($$).


(3) NO, he would not have killed had he stopped to think and weigh the consequences of killing.


If you had stopped to think, would you still consider the death or even life sentence for him ?


The "piano kid" may be responsible for the physical act of killing, but who in fact KILLED the woman ?  Not him.


Did Yue Yue pay the ultimate price of your society's harshness and unforgiveness ?


Remembering Lu Xun: " the foolishness of the people".  Sad.


Like you, I too seek justice for for Yue Yue and hoped it be answered with a better SOCIETY of kindness, forgiveness and fairness for those truly innocent.  Thus, my call for proofs and fairness; not sheer punishment.


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Whampoa


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Post time 2011-10-24 23:04:15 |Display all floors
A few days have past, and I'm sorry to see that this drama become a romance that people exploit as an opportunity to show a "good face and a pure hearth", but "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and the truth is that nothing, nothing , will  change in a society where peoples care more for a dog painted in pink or an Iphon than a children dying at their feet.

There is something rotten in this world.

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Post time 2011-10-25 12:43:06 |Display all floors
Originally posted by whampoa at 2011-10-24 19:27


Thank you for the clarification.  When I say I am a Chinese and I know the Chinese people, I am not saying that I speak for the Chinese people or any of them.  I don't h ...

I did ask myself indeed those questions,in Yao's case,I didn't see the murder and I wasn't in court,I know as much as you do,again,I was against his death sentence,and I believe someone is innocent until proven otherwise,but he turned himself in (not voluntarely) and admitted he stabbed the 26 yr old mother of a 2 yr old (not of 2) 8 times because he had seen her checking his carplate and he thought as he said in own words "that the peasant woman would be hard to deal with",whatever the reason his act was despicable and needed to be punished,also to be made an example or you say he should have remained unpunished?

Yue Yue was run over by 2 vans,yes,I don't blame the last van,he probably didn't see her,but I do blame the first,accidents happen but he shouldn't have run over her again,you make it sound as if he did that out of compassion,come on.. lets not have anyone punished,is that your idea for a saver China?

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Post time 2011-10-26 15:14:17 |Display all floors
Originally posted by Kiki1971 at 2011-10-25 12:43

Yue Yue was run over by 2 vans,yes,I don't blame the last van,he probably didn't see her,but I do blame the first,accidents happen but he shouldn't have run over her again,you make it sound as if he did that out of compassion,come on.. lets not have anyone punished,is that your idea for a saver China?  


I saw the video clip.  I have to say that I have a quite different impression from you.  Maybe, this is because I have personally witnessed a road accident right before my eyes.  That happened more than 10 years ago and the memory still vividly stays in my mind.  You could be suffering from shock if you feel angry and want someone to blame.

I can see that the road was quiet and there were not many cars or people.  The first van appeared to have delivered something.  Then, it geared up to the road in Yue Yue's direction .  I can see that he was driving normally and not even speeding.  The driver claimed that he wasn't looking in front.  I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt since the road appeared quite deserted.  Under such condition, it is not surprising that the driver may not be particularly alert as he drove.

When he knocked down Yue Yue, the impact pushed her under his van.  Because the van hit a stump, i.e. Yue Yue, the speed automatically slowed down but the driver, unaware, continued to drive his van over Yue Yue.  Taikor claimed that the driver hesisted when Yue Yue was under his van.  Actually, he did not.  What we saw was the impact of the stumping which we thought was his hesitation.

I agree with you that the second driver can't possibly have realised that he had run over her since she was almost motionless on the road and it was getting dark then, coupled with the drizzle.


But what stunned me and left me cold and shudder are the passers-by.  Some appeared completely unaware or unconcerned as they skirted around her.  There were others who seemed aware of Yue Yue lying in pain but were afraid or unsure of what to do.


I am not trying to defend anyone.  It was a car accident.  Yue Yue had met a car accident and was at the mercy of those passing by.  In fact, Yue Yue may not survive the first impact of the accident if you see how she was run over and pushed under the van like a rag doll.


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Post time 2011-10-26 15:24:40 |Display all floors
Originally posted by xilaren at 2011-10-21 16:45

ashamed to say I did not know her.


I think nobody here know her but we can show our best wishes for that little angel

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Post time 2011-10-26 15:34:01 |Display all floors

True

Originally posted by taikor at 2011-10-21 16:41
The first driver knocked down the little girl. This could be an accident. But he saw the girl is under his vehicle and move his vehicle slowly over her little body. Surely, this is not an accident. ...


It was the first car who hit the girl, if the driver stop to attend her, at this moment the story would be different, but the driver keep driving and with his rear wheels damaged more the poor girl, that it wasn't an accident.

also if the passers by do something after the first hit and run van go away standing around the girl and calling for help, the other van it had no chance to pass over the girl.

I blame the parents for being careless
I blame the first driver who became a murder
I blame the passers by for being indifferent
I blame the laws to make people heartless

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