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Post time 2011-10-23 19:31:05 |Display all floors
Originally posted by lebeast at 2011-10-23 16:29
morality is important to culture

Christian has nothing to do with morality.

In fact, it's one of the most immoral apartheid cult.

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Post time 2011-10-23 19:32:05 |Display all floors
Originally posted by lebeast at 2011-10-23 19:26

ohs? I see merchant on top of the four occupations, giving doggie dog to all and sundry

like a Chinese Matrix

Go hawk your worthless Jew-CONfetti cr@p elsewhere, China isn't interested.

More importantly, the Kunming gold exchange will open next year, with no Rothschild control.

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Post time 2011-10-23 20:03:56 |Display all floors
Originally posted by xuerengui at 2011-10-19 09:55
If china has more christians, the society would not be so amoral.  After all sun yat sen the father of modern china was christian

we don't need that religion, we need a better guide or better laws.

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Post time 2011-10-23 21:45:14 |Display all floors

China once opened its doors to Christianity... 1692. Back then Emperor Kang Xi issued a decree granting permission to missionaries to preach in China. In fact he had nice things to say about them (Europeans); they are very quiet; they do not cause disturbances in the provinces, they do no harm to anyone, and commit no crimes, and their doctrine has nothing in common with that of the false sects (Buddhism and Taoism) in the empire, nor has it any tendency to excite sedition. He then decreed that all temples "dedicated to the Lord of heaven, in whatever place they may be found, ought to be preserved, and that it may be permitted to all who wish to worship this God to enter these temples, offer him incense, and perform the ceremonies practised according to ancient custom by the Christians. Therefore let no one henceforth offer them any opposition.”

Of course he was basing his opinions on the example set by the behaviour of Jesuits who were already in China. And these Jesuits were merely following the example of Matteo Ricci, the first Jesuit missionary to be officially allowed into China. What was the example Ricci set...?

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Post time 2011-10-23 21:46:55 |Display all floors

Ricci's accomodation....

Ricci rejected the usual method of converting people used by the Portugese and Spaniards at the time (16th century), which was to invade, conquer and impose their beliefs on others. Andrew C. Ross in his seminal work "A Vision Betrayed" described that as the imposition of European culture more than preaching religion. Ricci would have no part of this.

He preferred to learn the language, dress as a native, and search for elements in the culture that conform to Christian behaviour. He behaved like a True Christian, respected the people and their culture, and pretty much 'became Chinese' himself. In the almost 30 years he lived in China he became well-known and highly regarded by the Chinese literati. His fame lived on after him as evidenced by the comments made by Kang Xi, and the fact that fellow Jesuits who came after him followed his example. He was the first foreigner to be honoured with a special burial plot in Beijing when he died in 1610. The cathedral built in his name and his statue still exist and can be found at Xuanwumen, Beijing.

But in 1721, Emperor Kang Xi did an about turn in his appraisal of the Christian missionaries and forbade them from preaching. What happened...?

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Post time 2011-10-23 21:48:52 |Display all floors

The so-called Rites Controversy...

...dealt with the Chinese venerating and honouring their ancestors. Some other Christian religious orders (illegally preaching in China) said it was 'worshiping' the ancestors and should be banned. Ricci (and the Jesuits) sided with the Chinese and said it was showing respect and the Chinese way of venerating their ancestors. The issue simmered until after Ricci's death when it exploded into a full scale controversy driving a wedge between the Vatican and China. In 1715 Pope Clement XI issued a papal bull forbidding any Chinese from honouring their ancestors (that included the much venerated Confucius) if they hoped to be a Christian. In effect they had to give up a central belief of their culture.

Kang Xi said, “Reading this proclamation I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from other small, bigoted sects of Buddhism or Taoism. I have never seen a document which contains so much nonsense. From now on, Westerners should not be allowed to preach in China, to avoid further trouble.”

The man who delivered the message from the Vatican was a French Bishop Maigrot. He was arrogant when he met the Emperor. When the Emperor asked him the meaning of some Chinese characters behind his throne Maigrot didn't know, despite the fact that he had been living in China for 10 years. When asked about Li Madou (Matteo Ricci) Maigrot had never heard of him. Yet Maigrot continued to insist that the Emperor had to listen to him. The Emperor, unable to tolerate his ignorance and arrogance any longer, kicked him out of the court.

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Post time 2011-10-23 21:50:10 |Display all floors

A Papal Apology....

Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) reversed Clement XI’s decrees in 1939 and permitted Chinese Catholics the right to honour and venerate their ancestors as per their custom. It was the first indication that the Vatican was backtracking.

In 1958 Ricci was finally vindicated by Pope John XXIII in his decree in the encyclical Princeps Pastorum where he declared that “Matteo Ricci would become the model of missionaries.”

In 2001 Pope Paul 11 formally apologised to the Chinese.

As historian Arnold Toynbee lamented, “Christianity had during Ricci’s time and after the chance to become a true world religion—but rejected it over internal squabbles over semantics and local customs. Never again would history present itself on such favorable terms.”

As Andrew Ross in his 'A Vision Betrayed' observed, "...To the arrogant imperialist expansion of nineteenth century Europe it (Ricci's Vision) was nonsense"

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