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OBL's Death -- Did it Happen the way the Anglos Said? [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2011-5-5 04:39:03 |Display all floors

'No trust in Osama death account'

Wed May 4, 2011 7:49AM


The Pakistani people say they do not believe US reports that Osama bin Laden had lived in a compound near a Pakistani military base in Abbottabad since 2005.


The million-dollar compound is located in the city of Abbottabad about 100 kilometers (62 miles) north of the capital Islamabad.

The huge mansion has now been taken over by Pakistan's security forces and the media is not allowed to go inside.

The alleged presence of bin Laden just few hundred meters away from the training center of the military elite has also raised questions about the role of Pakistan's intelligence apparatus, a Press TV correspondent in Abbottabad reported.

The US authorities say Pakistan was unaware of the operation that killed the al-Qaeda leader in his compound in northeastern Pakistan.

Amid a growing controversy about how much Pakistani authorities knew about bin Laden, there are questions that how two US military helicopters landed near Islamabad without the knowledge of Pakistan's Inter- Services Intelligence (ISI) and the military.

US lawmakers and senior officials have urged Pakistan to prove it did not know about bin Laden's hideout.

Reports say it is really hard for the Pakistani people to believe that the entire operation was a surprise for the Pakistani authorities.

Some analysts say there is a possibility that the al-Qaeda militants were living in the compound under the surveillance of ISI when the US military carried out the operation.

They say the operation was a show prearranged between the US and ISI and that bin Laden was not in the house as he had already been killed.

Benazir Bhutto, in a 2007 interview following a failed assassination attempt on her, said bin Laden had been “murdered” years ago.

In response to a question whether any of the assassins had links with the government, Bhutto said, "Yes but one of them is a very key figure in security, he is a former military officer … and had dealings with Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama bin Laden."

US President Barack Obama announced late on Sunday that the al-Qaeda leader had been killed in a military attack on a compound in Abbottabad.

Meanwhile, contradictory stories are emerging from the White House about the military operation. One of the contradictions includes comments that bin Laden was unarmed but put up resistance.

Many believe American Special Forces could have arrested the al-Qaeda leader without having to kill him and a question raised is why bin Laden's body was buried at sea so soon after his death.

A US official says bin Laden's body has been buried at sea, alleging that his hasty burial was in accordance with Islamic law, which requires burial within 24 hours of death.

This is while burial at sea is not an Islamic practice and Islam does not determine a timeframe for burial.
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This is 100 % HOG WASH:

US lies are so absurd now that even the most brainwashed person will have a hard time believing tham, with the exception of the Zionist media FOX/CNN fed cretins. US seems to keep changing the fairy tale every few hours. Good for a Hollywood movie.

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Post time 2011-5-5 04:54:44 |Display all floors

US shows no evidence of bin Laden death

Tue May 3, 2011 7:5AM

Interview with Jim Brann, spokesman for Stop the War Coalition, London.

President Obama has declared to the world that Osama bin Laden is dead and celebrates that a US hit team achieved the goal of killing him. Meanwhile, any identifiable evidence has been purposefully destroyed.


Press TV talks with Jim Brann, spokesman for Stop the War Coalition in London who warns that the move has an ulterior motive considering how little interest there was in capturing bin Laden by US intelligence and that the US can simply declare something to be true without following any principle, which has been characteristic of the so-called war on terror. Following is a transcript of his interview.

Press TV: The location was in Pakistan, not Afghanistan and not in the tribal area as assumed by US intelligence, in a million dollar house in a town inhabited by 500,000 in which he lived for the past five years...

Jim Brann: Before saying anything else I think it's worth pointing out that the whole of the process of the supposed discovery of the house, the killing of Osama bin Laden etc, the whole of it is an elementary violation of the norms that would apply to violent death in, for example, Britain or the US. In other words the US under the war on terror absolutely refuses to apply the very principles of respect for law and order etc, which it says it is trying to export to the rest of the world.

US authorities will tell us exactly what they want to tell us -- they follow no principle. In other words they don't have to prove for example that it was Osama bin Laden. They can simply attack a house, kill a man shoot him twice in the head, load his body on a helicopter, take it to an aircraft carrier and effectively just throw it into the Indian Ocean. And at the same time telling us how wonderful it is that they've respected all Islamic rights in doing so.

I think that's really the starting point.

I went to the FBI website two hours ago to check -- the FBI is the US Criminal Investigation agency with central responsibility for, for example, hunting Osama bin Laden and still ten years later they do not want him for the September 11 attacks. It doesn't mean that he didn't do the attack, but it means there is no necessity to abide by any known principles of criminal investigation in this matter. If they declare something to be so, it becomes so.

Press TV: Is there a deduction about the way this was conducted? Was it not just a police action, an investigation, a raid and then from what was described as (bin Laden) being shot in the head -- a summary execution? Although for ten years there has been a US-led war and occupation in Afghanistan, if we put that aside it was a basic police action don't you think? They had their information back in September 2001, now five months later they took action.

Jim Brann: Well, they closed down the bid Laden unit. They had a special bin Laden unit that was set up in 1995, which ran for ten years and was closed down at the end of 2005. And we are now five and a half years after that unit was closed down so it certainly shows how little interest there was in capturing him. At the same time they doubled their intelligence spending to 75 billion dollars a year, but they said they couldn't afford to run a special unit to hunt bin Laden. That's a fact worth noting here.

Press TV: What has this cost the US? Taking into account the reasons they gave at the beginning of going into Afghanistan and of course the so-called war on terror and how they have exercised that not only in Afghanistan, but in Pakistan making into the umbrella AFPAK region along with all the other activities, billions spent and of course a lot of people killed -- innocent civilian lives. How do you relate that to the way this announcement was made? At this point they have said they are going to continue with what they're doing.

Jim Brann: There is one very clear possibility, which is that by declaring that they have now achieved after ten years one of their stated goals of ten years ago, which was the bringing of justice of Osama bin Laden -- they stated that that was one of the central goals of the Afghan war of 2001 -- they do set up the possibility to in some way declare victory. And I think this has to be seen in the context of what for them is a terrible situation in Afghanistan.

I think it's quite possible for example that this announcement this morning relates directly back to the escape of the prisoners in Kandahar -- quite possible because in a sense it just brings good news because they are clearly not achieving the goals in Afghanistan by any measure, it's possible that they can say well we have achieved this. The drone war, which has killed something like 2,000 people in Pakistan in the past few years, which has all the hallmarks of the grossest illegality, that they can say well it's all been worth it.

And that is possible. So they could be setting up at least a drawdown if not a withdrawal not at all because they actually think that they won, but because this is probably as good as it's going to get, to declare that they've achieved this goal.

Press TV: How can we look at the lies that have been fed through the media when we look at what happened with the invasion of Iraq, no weapons of mass destruction, the forged documents that the government tried to buy yellowcake is another instance, and now we have this case -- what is there to ensure the fact that this indeed has actually occurred and how does the announcement benefit the US?

Jim Brann: First of all, as you say, we should look at the whole war on terror clearly. Things are used for quite ulterior purposes and that is clearly the number one lesson on the war on terror -- that other things are being done under the guise of some attack and I think we should see this very much in that context.

This has been announced today in a very deliberate way for ulterior motives and people should be very aware of that as it represents the entire history of the war on terror.


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Marvin:
Another white lie,Osama is not killed,if you people search your reasoning power very well you will find that all is lie.its just an exit plan for US after hunting him in vain for 10yrs with wasted resources about 1.3 trillion US dollars.Obama is also trying to gain voter's confidence for next yr's election, just wait and see,the truth will soon out.


seektruth:
They have still not given any evidence that 19 muslim hijackers did anything either. Please watch 911 missing links and i think this will prove who the real terrorists are.
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Post time 2011-5-5 05:09:13 |Display all floors

'Bin Laden scenario prelude to new war'

Wed May 4, 2011 8:42PM


Slain al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden
Former officials with Pakistan's military and intelligence service say the US wrongfully claims it has killed bin Laden in Pakistan to invade the country for harboring the terror leader.


United States President Barack Obama announced late Sunday that the al-Qaeda leader had been killed in a US military attack on a residence in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad north of the capital, Islamabad.

US reports claim that bin Laden had been living in a house near a Pakistani military base since 2005.

Speaking to the international Urdu daily Ausaf, the former officials said the terror mastermind had been killed elsewhere, questioning the reason for which the media had not broadcast the whereabouts and the manner of his death.

Citing the interviewees, who included General Mirza Aslam Beig, a former chief of Army staff, the newspaper said, “It is a fact that Osama bin Laden has been killed, but he has not been killed in Pakistan and this is evident in interviews with the locals and eyewitnesses.”

They cited remarks by Haidar Ali -- one Abbottabad local, who owns a house near the alleged bin Laden residence and had closely witnessed the US operation.

They quoted Ali as saying, “If Osama bin Laden was in the house, us and neighbors would surely be notified of his presence. The house belongs to a Pakistani of Pashtun decent and has been built in 2005 and was resided by a number of his family members.”

The interviewees also asked whether it was possible that the operation has not even claimed the life of one American trooper given the al-Qaeda militants' “special skills and commando training.”

They added that it was not possible that bin Laden had been living close to a military base as well as Pakistan's garrison city of Rawalpindi for five years without the country's military and intelligence apparatus being informed.

“Bin Laden has been killed somewhere else, but since the US intends to extend the Afghan war into Pakistan and accuse Pakistan and obtain a permit for its military's entry into the country, it has devised the scenario (about his death).”

Pakistan's former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto said in a 2007 interview following a failed assassination attempt on her, that bin Laden has been “murdered” years ago.
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Post time 2011-5-5 05:20:31 |Display all floors

From the werewolf (pravda forum):

The US media and politicians are saying that bin Ladin (who appears to have actually died in Dec. 2001) was gloating over 911 and said he only wished more people had died. As usual, they are lying.

What Osama bin Ladin really said after 911. It was censored in the USA:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.
"It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people . . . "
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Post time 2011-5-5 19:53:40 |Display all floors

So they decide not to release any pictures!

Anyone surprised?

Shows you can't trust anything Anglos say!
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