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Post time 2011-1-16 13:59:49 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2011-1-13 13:17

so this law would automatically make otherwise law abiding citizens, criminals. Tell me how that can be right.   


Maybe, not a criminal but an offender.

Yes, that would be what the law, or any law, is about.
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Post time 2011-1-16 14:00:44 |Display all floors
Marxist tend to favor "Rebel", radical and revolution - to break the old for the new.
Canfucianist tend to respect the existing power, the senior - to learn from the past.

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Post time 2011-1-16 15:55:25 |Display all floors
Originally posted by 468259058 at 2011-1-16 13:50


1.You  mixed moral force with legal force. Such as a young people won't offer his seats to a senior people in public Bus. In this case, the young people breaks morals but not laws.

2. the base of modern ( the republic dynasty, year after 1912  ) Mainland Chinese legistlation isn't traditional Chinese confucianism any more. The new republic's base after 1949 is Marxist. Such as "Anti-revolution" was the first one statement in criminal laws for a long time.

3. Ordinary people used to say nothing while the king and his chancellor made laws in fedual age. But now it is Republic age, People want to discuss in the law making process through types of channel, however, most present laws were made in closed doors and were approved by the fake people's representatives or the rubber stamps.


1.  Not exactly.  But if moral force doesn't work, legal force has to be used especially when the matter is important for the country and her people's well-being, whether it is for the adult children or the old folks.  

When was the last time you visited your folks and how often in a year do you visit them ?

Do you think you would have committed a crime when the law comes into effect ?

Singapore does have this law called the Parents Maintenance Law which allows parents to sue their children for maintenance.  It was scandalous when the bill was first proposed and later passed into law, considering that we are Chinese (constituting a large majority of the population) and we were taught filial piety from young.  However, the law after it came into effect didn't hurt us at all as most of us are still family-oriented and maintain close bond with our parents.  There are handful cases of parents suing the children, but the parents and children were also couns e l led and the cases resolved amicably.


2.  You may be right about the Chinese legislation in the 1949s.  But today is 2011.  The law is to be effected in 2011 or later.  Indeed, China has changed tremoudously in the last 30 years.  I think the people should also change.  If the law could enforce and shape how the people should change with China's changes, then it should.


3.  Yes, China has progressed from the feudal age to a republic.  Perhaps, many of your laws were "approved by the fake people's representatives or the rubber stamps', but they have been very successful in changing China and transforming it from a poor, backward country to an economic (super)power.  That shows that the "fake people's representatives", maybe, have hit on the right formula of success!

If you ask me if China's legal processes should be open to her people.  My answer would be NO.  Not only that your people are NOT ready for democracy and important decision making, Chinese people have been well-known for DISUNITY.


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Post time 2011-1-16 16:05:59 |Display all floors
Originally posted by 468259058 at 2011-1-16 14:00
Marxist tend to favor "Rebel", radical and revolution - to break the old for the new.
Canfucianist tend to respect the existing power, the senior - to learn from the past.



Thanks, but more importantly, are these principles / theories working for you?  Can they be changed and improved?

Personally, I am not averse to "breaking the old for the new" or respecting existing power if it works favourably for the people and the country as a whole.
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Post time 2011-1-16 18:03:32 |Display all floors

Government behavior, Chiense people's behavior in the respect of senior Chinese

1. Disunity?
Look toward the past thousands of years, Most of time China was governed by central government. In splitting period, Many local kings fought each other to united China and such idealogy deeply rooted in chinese culture. It is one of major idealogy to assure the longest surviving civilization in the world. And then where do your disunity come from?

2. Sinapore is a tiny land compare to the huge land of China. In mainland China, Many college graduates and migrant workers worked in another city thousands miles away from their parents. Maybe travel fee several times a year is not a huge burden for college graudate, Of course not for Policy makers, What about the mirgrant workers?

You have said our Chinese people are not ready for democracy and important decision making. for What? for the poor living? If so, how can many poor migrant workers pay the regular travel fee to visit their parents? If they can't, government would fine them, right? In the end, Government get another extra revenue again.

Actually, In general, Most Chinese shows more respect to their parents and visits more times than the west people in practice. however, Government treat senior people much poorer than the west government do. Don't you know the Government laid off state-owned workers, most of them at 40s and 50s, without any retired and medical welfare (after they are 60 years old) in 1990s while government employee enjoy much higher medical and retired welfare than the same level employee in any industry.

Which is more urgently important to pass a regulation to demand government shoulder its corresponding responsibilities for Chinese senior people or demeand Chinese people regularly visit their parents?

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Post time 2011-1-17 01:37:33 |Display all floors

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Originally posted by 468259058 at 2011-1-16 18:03
1. Disunity?
Look toward the past thousands of years, Most of time China was governed by central government. In splitting period, Many local kings fought each other to united China and such idealogy deeply rooted in chinese culture. It is one of major idealogy to assure the longest surviving civilization in the world. And then where do your disunity come from?


Is Chinese fighting each other for centuries considered "unity" ?
What about the divide between the very rich (billionaires) and the very poor (migrant workers)?  Is that another form of unity ?


2. Sinapore is a tiny land compare to the huge land of China. In mainland China, Many college graduates and migrant workers worked in another city thousands miles away from their parents. Maybe travel fee several times a year is not a huge burden for college graudate, Of course not for Policy makers, What about the mirgrant workers?


True, what you say is true when comparing the size of Singapore and China.  But let me quote the famous analogy of your Paramount leader Deng Xiaoping, with a twist.  Instead of seeing ourselves as cats (from the predator's point of view), let's look at us from the victim point.  Whether small fish or big fish, we will be eaten up if we land ourselves as someone's dinner.  The difference is in the time it takes to eat a small fish and a big fish.  In short, we all have our difficulties whether we are big or small.  However, if you are only consumed with seeing difficulties, you can't go very far.  Attitude is important.  It is even more important than whether you are big or small.  Ever heard of the race between the rabbit and tortoise ?  There your go !  Think beyond the difficulties of the migrant workers.  If the migrant workers can't pay, what about making the graduates pay more ?

I am not exactly sure what is written in the law and the punishment for breaching it.   Perhaps, you could find out and let us know if it is really so "unreasonable".  Having said, if that is the law.  You comply with it.



You have said our Chinese people are not ready for democracy and important decision making. for What? for the poor living? If so, how can many poor migrant workers pay the regular travel fee to visit their parents? If they can't, government would fine them, right? In the end, Government get another extra revenue again.


I stand by my earlier statement.  I am not trying to demoralise you, but by your attitude I think you still have alot to learn and how to behave maturely.

If the law is initiated by your Central Government, I don't think their purpose is to make profit out of the fines from the migrant workers.  How much can they make ?  There must be some other reasons.  Look deeper and further into the INTENTS of the law, how it will impact on the people and change them.


Actually, In general, Most Chinese shows more respect to their parents and visits more times than the west people in practice. however, Government treat senior people much poorer than the west government do. Don't you know the Government laid off state-owned workers, most of them at 40s and 50s, without any retired and medical welfare (after they are 60 years old) in 1990s while government employee enjoy much higher medical and retired welfare than the same level employee in any industry.


First part, I am sure all the Chinese people are filial to their parents.  Question is, can you be sure that they will not change ?  Can you be sure that they will continue to visit their folks as they have done now ?  Have you been doing that ?  Has your attitude not changed when you first enrolled into college (with, say, big ambitions on how to repay your parents and treat them better) and when or after you graduated (calculating how much you can save by travelling less) ?

People will change.  20 years ago, we would never hear of Chinese girls removing their clothes in public.  Today, some young girls are walking in the streets in bikinis.  Today, young college girls have no reservations about stripping as models for art.  Whatever their reasons, these are signs and trends of people changing.  That makes it imperative for the law to preserve filial piety before it becomes lost and defunct.


Second part, please don't compare China with the West.  You are two different species.  Further, the premises for comparison were also vastly different.

Which is more urgently important to pass a regulation to demand government shoulder its corresponding responsibilities for Chinese senior people or demeand Chinese people regularly visit their parents?


The first regulation requires careful calculations before any change can happen.  The second asks the Chinese people do what they normally do or would have done.  Of course, we should regulate the second one first.

[ Last edited by chopsticks11 at 2011-1-17 01:43 AM ]
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Post time 2011-1-17 12:21:22 |Display all floors
if there is a compulsory law for Filial piety,maybe it would have effect on giving spirital support to our parents.
But i think Filial piety is an issue of ethics, not related to the law. it depends on each person.

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