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Originally posted by sansukong at 2010-12-13 06:50 PM
But according to joeching............
But according to joeching............
Originally posted by joeching on 2010-12-6 19:36
Western forces went on a killing, looting, and raping rampage against Chinese civilians. All of the foreign troops, except the Japanese, raped women. It was reported that Japanese troops were astonished by the western troops engaging in raping. Thousands of women were raped by the western forces on a massive scale. The Japanese officers had brought along Japanese prostitutes to stop their troops from raping Chinese civilians.
no me, but wikipedia, just like all the stuff on nanking directly from iris chang. but i v found some new source by my not-so-good friend dr. rhawn joseph, and u ll watch some of his stuff in my new documentary.
On December 11, 1936, the Xian Incident happened, in which a gun was put in Chiang Kai-shek's head to stop him from exterminating the Chinese communists and start fight the Japanese, whom Chiang had even gone out of his way, in the past, to persecute any Chinese from even protesting against the Japanese invaders, as Chiang himself was still a undischarged Japanese soldier since his army days in Japan. In the book, Generalissimo and Madame Chiang Kai Shek: Christian Liberators of China, by Basil Miller, it was described that Chiang absolutely refused to compromise to the demand of the 2 mutineer generals and express fierce anger toward them. It was until Chiang's wife, Soong Meilin, who showed up with the pro-American, Christian faction under Chiang's government, that they finally persuaded the Christian Young Marshal Chang, one of the two chief mutineers, to let Chiang go, and promise to do what they demand, but only verbally and not on paper.
So, as stated in Iris Chang's book, Rape of Nanking,(page70), ""For decades one of the mysteries of the Rape of Nanking was how, with so many soldiers in place, the city of Nanking fell in just four days, on the evening of December 12,1937(the anniversary of Xian Mutiny). The troops, after all, possessed enough ammunitions to last through at least five months of siege...""
""Later history based on newer documents suggests a somewhat different picture."" Following are some highlights:
On page 74 of the book, it described: ""At noon on December 11, General Gu Zhutong placed a telephone call to Tang's office(the commander in Nanking). Orders had come directly from Chiang, Gu informed Tang, for a massive retreat of Tang's forces.""
""Tan expressed shock. Aside from the fact that he was being asked to abandon his troops, an unattractive alternative for any leader, he had another very real problem -- his troops were at that moment engaged in furious fighting. He informed Gu that the Japanese had already penetrated the troops' front lines; an orderly retreat was not even a possibility. It would readily turn into a rout.""(Chiang had intentionally not given the soldiers any communication equipment and Mrs. Chiang Soong Meilin, the Airforce Commander in Chief ,never provided Nanking with any aerial support.)
"" 'I can't worry about that," Gu Zhutong said. 'Anyhow, you have to retreat by tonight.' "" (as tomorrow is the one year anniversary of the humiliation Chiang suffered at Xian. Somebody must have wanted the rout, or massacre, to be in process by then.)
""Impossible, Tang said.""... ""That afternoon Tan received a telegram from Chiang confirming the order: "Commander-in-Chief Tang, if you cannot maintain the situation you should take the opportunity to retreat in order to preserve and reorganize [the army] for future counterattack. -- Kai. 11th." Later that day the distressed Tang received a second telegram from Chiang, again urging retreat.""
(the telegrams must be intended as evidence to show that Tang 'retreated from duty'. But what really happened to Tang will be described later.)
""Unable to hold the line and under pressure, Tang complied. It was a decision that resulted in one of the worst disasters of Chinese military history.""
In the book, The Nanjing Massacre, by Honda Katsuichi, in the footnote on page 169, it stated:""In its December 27, 1937, report on Commander Tang Shengzhi's sentence to death by firing squad before a military tribunal after being blamed for having abandoned Nanjing.""
But in the footnotes on page 184 of Rape of Nanking, it stated: ""Despite his fiasco at Nanking Tang went on to enjoy a charmed existence in China.""...""...after the Communists came to power, the new leadership embraced Tang -- even though he had been a high ranking military official in the enemy camp. Swiftly Tang rose to prominence, serving as lieutenant government of Hunan and member of the National People's Congress, the National Defense Committee, the Chinese National Party Revolutionary Committee and number of other organizations. Only after serving an long prestigious career in politics did he finally die on April 6, 1970 -- a revered official in his eighties.""
I got suspicious after hearing the tragic news of Iris Chang's committing suicide. In one of the 3 notes she left, there was something about "being used by someone... something like the CIA". I asked her dad about the notes, and he said it's true, but the U.S. government has asked him not to discuss it.
So, now the best thing is for both the Chinese and Japanese government to give us an official statement on what exacty happened in Nanking.