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Post time 2010-12-9 05:22:52 |Display all floors
But most likely Russians will not  individual 117S engines to China. Instead it will force China to buy SU-35 as a whole for 40 planes.

If China wants thrust vectoring engine, then it needs to pay up for the whole plane and 40 of them, not 1 or 2 plane.


Russia ready to  Su-35 fighter jets to China
BY ADMIN AT 17 NOVEMBER, 2010, 1:38 PM

BY: RIA Novosti

Russia’s state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said on Tuesday it was ready to hold talks with China on the delivery of advanced Su-35 fighter aircraft to the Chinese air force.

“We are ready to work with our Chinese partners to this end [Su-35 deliveries],” Deputy General Director of   he Su-35 Flanker-E, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.

Russia’s Sukhoi aircraft maker earlier said it planned to start deliveries of the new aircraft, billed as “4++ generation using fifth-generation technology,” to foreign clients in 2011 and produce Su-35s over a period of 10 years up to 2020.

China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition (Airshow China) is the only International aerospace trade show in China that is endorsed by the Chinese central government. The biannual arms exhibition has been held in Zhuhai since 1996.

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Post time 2010-12-9 20:59:47 |Display all floors
Are you kidding? Buying whole planes just to get the engines? I bet you copied the article from some martial fans website,rihgt?

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Post time 2010-12-10 10:35:18 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mengyinliuyong at 2010-12-9 04:59
Are you kidding? Buying whole planes just to get the engines? I bet you copied the article from some martial fans website,rihgt?

Originally posted by mengyinliuyong at 2010-12-9 05:01
Well, it's you again. Are you trying to scare we Chinese's hearts out of our bodies?


Ignore this freak, meng. He's got a case of what I would call are a "China-up-his-wazoo-syndrome" and "it's proving to be very very irritating to him". Therefore anything that "the West brags... Yes, BRAGS... about" that have bearings on Chinese matters,  "particularly if in areas of military technological advancements that rivals those of Russia or the West", he goes into a deep Chinese-crapping-trance. It's a disease of kind of this guy.

The X-35 is nothing special. China has been experimenting with the same technology   Flash: http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.174/pub_detail.asp  for years. I suspect what the gist behind both systems are that it's intended as "a manned Darth Vader TIE type space fighter whose aim is to search out and destroy space base threats.

Far as the Russian 117 engine is concerned, the claim is only a one sides attempt to seal deals with China. China's Tai-Huang engine is not only superior to Russia's Saturn but superior to it in every aspect including thrust vectoring. The only set back is that China's ability to meet these engine demands fall short because the manufacturing and tooling infrastructure for these engines are not up to full capacity yet.
Putin's a killer. This was the claim made by Fox News journalist; Bill O'Reilly during his recent interview with Donald Trump. Trump's reply came in the form of a simple question. What, you think our country's so innocent?

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Post time 2010-12-10 12:52:56 |Display all floors
Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-12-8 13:22
But most likely Russians will not  individual 117S engines to China. Instead it will force China to buy SU-35 as a whole for 40 planes.

If China wants thrust vectoring engine, then it needs to  ...


big mouth!

in the paris airshow earlier this year, reps from chengdu even offered russia ideas and technical assistance on how to built a more powerful, more reliable, more higher endurance engine than the best russia has to offer china so go figure.

and yes, china had also perfected thrust vectoring and even refined it. but i doubt if thrust vectoring will ever be popular feature because, with aerial dawg fights having gone the way of the doodle bird, thrust vector serves no purpose whatsoever. in fact, the extra components needed would add greater weight hence robs the plane of the power it can use to escape hostile elements (BVR or other AAM) targeting it. For that reason and to this date, you don't see thrust vector employed in EU birds or in any US war bird with the exception of the AV-8 and the F-35.

Thrust vectoring is only a sel ling pitch used by Russia to push its products to third world/under developed nations who think that it's a cool thing to have but still, a feature that won't ever be used because, if South Africa goes to war with Zimbabwe, first things first, these planes will most likely be downed by SAM's and/or second, they won't engage one another in the air in a dawg fight because their fighter planes are limited in number and intended for ground assault purposes only.



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[ Last edited by edisonone at 2010-12-9 08:59 PM ]
Putin's a killer. This was the claim made by Fox News journalist; Bill O'Reilly during his recent interview with Donald Trump. Trump's reply came in the form of a simple question. What, you think our country's so innocent?

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Post time 2010-12-10 18:29:23 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mengyinliuyong at 2010-12-9 20:59
Are you kidding? Buying whole planes just to get the engines? I bet you copied the article from some martial fans website,rihgt?

why make a fussion? it's not impossible.

this is trade, exchange.

even a vendor aside road know this simple reason. they  their goods with blending good and not good.

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Post time 2010-12-10 18:35:13 |Display all floors
Originally posted by learner1 at 2010-12-10 18:29

why make a fussion? it's not impossible.

this is trade, exchange.

even a vendor aside road know this simple reason. they  their goods with blending good and not good.


But a vendor aside road doesn't  force you to buy his refrigeratory when what you want is just an ice cream, right?

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Post time 2010-12-11 00:55:39 |Display all floors
Ha, thrust vectoring not useful??  that's pure sour grape statement.

F-22 has thrust vectoring engine!

thrust vectoring gives the plane high maneuverbility to dodge incoming missiles.   its a survival tool!

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