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Post time 2010-1-30 14:12:13 |Display all floors
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Don't forget that the vessels don't carry advanced weapons systems, either. Frankly, ever since the aircraft carriers threads a year ago, I feel the need to point out that actual wars aren't fought like Red Alert: vessels are platforms that carry weapons, not weapons in themselves.

The US could probably take out China's navy with World War II boats outfitted with modern kit.
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Post time 2010-1-30 14:17:50 |Display all floors
Originally posted by interesting at 2010-1-30 14:12
Kiwi,

Don't forget that the vessels don't carry advanced weapons systems, either. Frankly, ever since the aircraft carriers threads a year ago, I feel the need to point out that actual wars aren ...


Yep, I know these things. I wouldn't suggest that the US could take out Chinas navy that easily though. Surface ships, definitely, all those subs, not so easily unless they get em into the deeper water where the USN SSNs are better suited to warfare.

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Post time 2010-1-30 14:28:04 |Display all floors
Kiwi,

Yeah, subs have probably undergone way more advancement over the years than surface ships from a hull and propulsion standpoint. Of course, I really would have no idea how to hand out ratings for naval ships to mark how advanced they are.

Right now I wonder when they are going to finish this Zumwalt business. Frankly, I think these things are getting too expensive and I'd rather the Navy concentrate on an integrated force plan. It would be nice if the navy could be as easy to refit and optimize as Army units.
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Post time 2010-1-30 15:22:07 |Display all floors
Originally posted by interesting at 2010-1-30 14:28
Kiwi,

Yeah, subs have probably undergone way more advancement over the years than surface ships from a hull and propulsion standpoint. Of course, I really would have no idea how to hand out ratings ...


Well, the US has the Seawolf class, but only 3 hulls, which are widely acknowledged to be the best subs in the world, next may be the new Virginia class, then the Russian Akula class, then the US 688/I class. These are all nuclear boats.
Deisel; hard to tell but China has the Russian Kilos which are damn good. The Japanese and Germans build nice boats too.

As for modular fits on surface ships. The USN LCS is supposed to be configured as mission refittable as is the Danish Absolon vessel. Most others have some measure of weaponry that can be interchangeable, but not as flexible as the first 2 and not much. I think the Zumwalt should be halted at 3 ships and more DDG51 hulls with upgrades built. The Zumwalts can be used as technolgy testbeds a bit like the CGX and CVNX.

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Post time 2010-1-30 15:34:32 |Display all floors
Oh yes, I love the LCS project quite a bit. I don't really know about the Zumwalt, though, it seems like a waste of money.
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Post time 2010-1-30 18:22:49 |Display all floors

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I think the LCS is gonna bite the USN in the ass personally. It's already way over budget but I hope that throughot the prduction run of 55 projected vessels, it become far more affordable/unit. I prefer DDG51 and a decent replacement CG(N)  for the Ticonderoga class. Zumwalt is a huge money hole I think.

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Post time 2010-1-31 00:20:45 |Display all floors
Kiwi,

Well, affordability has been a big problem for the USN to begin with. These are, at least, less expensive than their standard far over budget projects. Frankly, I wonder how much of it has to do with production delays and standards imposed by Congress to create jobs in... I mean, to secure US interests.
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