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Iran election unrest an example of US 'naked political scheming' behind free speech facade, says Communist party editorial

Tania Branigan in Beijing and agencies guardian.co.uk, Sunday 24 January 2010 15.49 GMT Article history
A protest over the Iranian election in Washington last June. Photograph: Molly Riley/Reuters

The United States used "online warfare" to stir up unrest in Iran after last year's elections, the Chinese Communist party newspaper claimed today, hitting back at Hillary Clinton's speech last week about internet freedom.

An editorial in the People's Daily accused the US of launching a "hacker brigade" and said it had used social media such as Twitter to spread rumours and create trouble.

"Behind what America calls free speech is naked political scheming. How did the unrest after the Iranian election come about?" said the editorial, signed by Wang Xiaoyang. "It was because online warfare launched by America, via YouTube video and Twitter microblogging, spread rumours, created splits, stirred up and sowed discord between the followers of conservative reformist factions."

Washington said at the time of the unrest that it had asked Twitter, which was embraced by Iranian anti-government protesters, to remain open. Several social media sites, including YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, have been blocked in China in the last year.

The editorial asked rhetorically whether obscenity or activities promoting terrorism would be allowed on the net in the US. "We're afraid that in the eyes of American politicians, only information controlled by America is free information, only news acknowledged by America is free news, only speech approved by America is free speech, and only information flow that suits American interests is free information flow," it added.

It attacked the decision to cut off of Microsoft's instant messaging services to nations covered by US sanctions, including Cuba, Iran, Syria, Sudan and North Korea, as violating America's stated desire for free information flow. Washington later said that such services fostered democracy and encouraged their restoration.

China initially gave a low-key response to Google's announcement that it was no longer willing to censor google.cn. The internet giant said it had reached its decision following a Chinese-originated cyber attack targeting the email accounts of human rights activists, and in light of increasing online censorship.

Clinton's direct challenge to China, in a speech that had echoes of the cold war with its references to the Berlin wall and an "information curtain", led Beijing to warn that US criticism could damage bilateral relations. Clinton called on China to hold a full and open investigation into the December attack on Google.

In an interview carried by several Chinese newspapers today, Zhou Yonglin, deputy operations director of the national computer network emergency response technical team, said: "Everyone with technical knowledge of computers knows that just because a hacker used an IP address in China, the attack was not necessarily launched by a Chinese hacker."

US diplomats sought to reach out to the Chinese public by briefing bloggers in China on Friday. They held a similar meeting during Barack Obama's visit in November.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/ ... iran-online-warfare

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Post time 2010-1-25 20:13:06 |Display all floors

Reply #1 baofeng's post

Yep, China stays out of other countries internal affairs alright huh?

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Post time 2010-1-26 16:13:08 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2010-1-25 20:13
Yep, China stays out of other countries internal affairs alright huh?


Compared to what the U.S. has been doing, yes.

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Post time 2010-1-26 18:25:53 |Display all floors
Although you can compare America's foreign meddling with China's and find we are hundreds of times more actively forcing our fingers up under everyone else's skirt, I don't think that's the point. True, we have foreign based military facilities all around the globe while China doesn't. True, we fly spy planes 24/7 in distant lands all around the globe, while China does not. True, we incite rebellion around the globe wherever we find instability. Anyway, why compare one against the other? Sure, we do more, but I think there is a more pointed reason to look closely at the America's style.

We meddle more than China, but who cares. What bothers me is that we are everything we claim we're not, and nothing of what we claim we are. It's the hypocracy that burns me. You know, bombs for peace, waring in the name of democracy, then toppling popularly elected governments and faking elections in our puppet states.

It's because we say one thing and do the other. I would not mind, except I don't like my representatives demonstrating extreme hypocracy in my name. They say we are for free speech, but in our action we prove that's not true. They say the internet is a human right that should be given freely to all the people, but then we put our own limits and also deny service. If we say that some rival states are abusing the human rights of their own people by blocking youtube, how can we justify shutting services down? We claim those citizens are so poor because they don't have enough free access to American controlled social networks and our response is to deny them American controlled social networks? We claim we bomb the hell out of people to bring freedom and democracy, but we prop up kings in Saudi Arabia. We claime the Iranians stole the election and we shout about it endlessly, but there is no proof. In the Afghan election that was certified by the UN to be outright theft, we prop up our puppet king Karzai and bury the story. Shhh.... I would be a lot more proud to be an American if we stood behind our actions. If we spoke straightly. Even if we said, "You charge too much for oil, we're coming to kick some ass and take names!" Fine. It wouldn't be hypocritical. I can't stand excuses and people that twist words to justify ourselves and twist them back again to condemn others for doing the same as we do. Such as calling the Taliban freedom fighters when they fought to take over Afghanistan, and now we call them terrorists when they try to drive us out. If they are terrorists now, then they always have been because they haven't changed since day one. If they are terrorists then we should admit that and own up to the fact that we gave super-hightech stinger missiles to terrorists, making us a state which sponsors terrorism aka rogue state.

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Post time 2010-1-26 18:33:20 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2010-1-25 20:13
Yep, China stays out of other countries internal affairs alright huh?



China is always playing tit for tat politics.

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Post time 2010-1-26 18:42:25 |Display all floors
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We claime the Iranians stole the election and we shout about it endlessly, but there is no proof.

it seemed very much like the Iranians were screaming much louder about fixed elections than any Americans were. In fact they(Iranian people) were risking their lives protesting on this exact issue......many times (yes or no)

of course Americans are on the side of democratic elections and against an Iranian government that is doing everything it's power to destabilize the Iraqi fledgling democracy, even though as it so happens, this democracy has greatly benefited Shiite interests in Iraq.


as for all your other allegations early in your declaration it would be interesting if you added a shred of proof, instead of just acting like all of American actions represent  an evil force in the world and this is just common knowledge.......and compared to whom?....terrorists who blow up world trade centers?.....Chinese who support and prop up evil regimes in Africa to obtain their oil....I'm sorry stability of ruthless regimes is completely over rated in the "good guys" department.

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Post time 2010-1-26 19:11:30 |Display all floors

Reply #5 esoteriksky's post

Maybe, not sure about that but some here certainly do. At least the US doesn't say what China says, then turn around and do it! The is is open about her affairs in other countries (generally speaking)....kinda hard to hide really.

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