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Originally posted by esoteriksky at 2009-11-19 10:56
It seems you have no faith in the evolution of man,
In primitive times it was the strongest man with a sword who could provide victories on the battlefield that were our most revered leaders.
Then most countries were lead by priests in theocratic governments
but most modern nations have evolved past this...
It's true that religions, societies, and cultures evolve very quickly. Just as an industry can evolve quickly to meet new market demands. Man hasn't changed. He's still the smartest monkey, just as before.
Our aggression is one of the things we evolved. It has made us successful. Our aggression killed off our rivals, they're dead now. "Evolve or die", mother nature always says. We listened. Evolution requires that you out-compete all rivals. In our case, as in the case of most animals, that required bloody aggression. The nice guys didn't prosper, we did.
Water can live in the sea, as man can live in the wild. Water can live in a famous brand bottle, and man can live in a city. Is the bottle the water's natural environment? We evolved in the cave, not the city. That is the environment that shaped our nature.
There was a time when water was water. Then marketing evolved new ways to package, hype, and present water. This highly evolved marketing can sell water at 2 USD per 500ml. Times have changed, marketing has evolved, water is still water.
We think ourselves so modern and advanced. Not at all like the animals. What will happen if we drop 1000 small kids on an island with only their nature to guide them? Without the influence of culture, religion, and society, you'd get a view of what human nature really is. Lets ensure that resources are easy to get, but limited. So that 1000 kids can live comfortably, but 1000 adults would have to be a bit careful with their resources in order to survive. Do you think all will be divided equally by common agreement? Will they work together and build wonders such as on Easter Island? When the strongest men take the most food, weapons, and many women as their own, will the weaker ones fight for what's left? The Easter Islanders destroyed themselves in a series of especially desperate blood baths. This question reminds me of Lord of the Flies. In that examination of human nature we saw a very realistic shift as everyone left the civil camp to join the warlike camp.
If our society dies cats will go into the wild and they will become feral, their nature is still alive and they will do just fine living a violent life in the wild. If our society dies dogs will go into the wild and they will become feral, their nature is still alive and they will do just fine living a violent life in the wild. The same is true of man. If this were not true, then man would find it impossible to live once separated from his society and it's book of rules.
UYA asked, "Do you think "all" life is "aggressive"?
Well, in a way, yes. Life seeks resources with which to prosper. We typically think of aggression in terms of punching someone in the mouth and taking their gold or their woman, but some life has no fist, no gold, and no woman. That doesn't stop them from being aggressive. If you need the light to live, and so do I, it is highly aggressive behavior for one of us to shoot toward the sky specifically for the purpose of placing the other in shadow.
Most life is aggressive in the terms we most commonly think of. Even the cutest little bunny rabbits-fight for mates, housing, and other resources. However, violent aggression is no more pure than other forms.
Kittens think pretend-fighting is fun because mother nature is encouraging them to practice their kungfu to prepare for the painful battles they may face later. If you want to see the truth of our nature. Take a look at little 5 year old boys. Even if we encourage them to be kind and gentle, they still tend towards pulling the legs off of insects. If bugs screamed "for the love of god please NOOOOO!" The little boys would love this sport all the more.
In spite of growing up in a gentle environment, cats still feel compelled to kill the bird if they ever get the chance. Boys still pull the legs off of insects. The tiger is an ultra advanced species, no less evolved than humans. It's aggression is an advantage. The gorrila's aggression level is lower, but it is also necessary and aggression ensures his quality and survival. The same is true for us.
Animals sometimes flurish so well that they exhaust their own environment. We are not the first to do this. Rabbits and lemmings do it all the time. Our technology poses another problem. It is incompatible with our nature. If you give monkeys weapons of mass destruction, don't count on a good result. If you give us weapons of mass destruction, wait.. I already said that.