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Post time 2009-11-20 18:23:57 |Display all floors


The DL has the right to post here anonomously, just like everyone else.

Although his opinions would be better received in a Western forum than on this one.

On this we agree.

I fail to see what current policy in 2009  is directly related to the past other than perhaps in 'lessons learnt'.

Where is it stated so clearly that the present government of China fails to see a poor management style from the past. Or are you looking for a daily kow tow to recognize things that were mismanaged in the past?

To use an example: when will the people's of Germany ever feel that they have a future and not feel that they are the spawn of the evil in the past?

Do modern peoples have to bear the cross of the past or is not the acknowledgement of the past direction enough.  

You live in a society where murder is 'life' which is 10 years and reduced to 7 years. Your society espouses the idea that the debt is paid. It is history.
Why does the actual perpetrator not have to make further recompense and restitution?

Western values are skin deep.

An educated person like yourself would be better to ask why HR is so important for the US and Europe and yet at the same time these entities are guilty of killing hundreds of people as we discuss China's recent history, and they do this without apology or care and impunity.  

Not in 1950 something, but today as you write.

We live in today and not yesterday.  One we can change and should do, and the other one we cannot.

Again I would ask: why is this apology so important to you?

I assume that you are not Chinese and a victim. Or is it something deeper?

How far do you want to go back?  

Should the descendants of Ghengis offer apology and restitution to the peoples of Asia and Eastern Europe, especially the Arabs and Russians?

Maybe you could set a date or a cut-off point and the underlying reasons.


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Post time 2009-11-22 20:17:43 |Display all floors


I am at a loss with your reply.

So I will try to do a section for each of your ideas.

take CPC posturing about their glorious "emancipation of the serfs" seriously?

The CPC DID change the situation of the serfs in Tbt and emancipated them from feudalistic theocratic government.
They emancipated the whole of China and at that time political Tbt was especially left alone until the US backed uprising in 1959 by the theorcacy and landowners.

These are recorded and cited facts.  
We have done this before.  
I do not mention here right or wrong but merely that the serfs were emancipated.

Why was and is the CPC allowed to preach hatred against the formerly ruling classes whom they eliminated through some of the most violent means

1949 saw the formation of a united China, but this was not actually so. The Kuomingtang continued to fight and they were joined by landlords and bandit gangs and the US sponered invasions from Formosa in the South.  Until 1956 this was all out full war.  Just like in the two European 20th century wars we did not love our enemies.  Or indeed in the vile conflict of the Korean war was any love shown to the enemy. War as you know is the basest of all human activities.

their tormentors continue committing their barbarities against peoples?

Please exemplify and enlighten.

Teabed's aristocracy before they were eliminated just as the Chinese one was

You would need to supply some facts here for this statement.  
Especially as the ruling class you seem to ellude to are sitting fat in India and getting paid for this by the US.

The tragedy is that it is PEOPLESthat have to bear them, not the ruling cliques that are responsible for cruxificions.

Who in this instance are the PEOPLE and the ruling cliques and from what period or date?


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Post time 2009-12-28 17:59:53 |Display all floors

How is the Democracy Continuing

Well so far nothing has changed.

The quasi-government clique Ooops Group have still nothing to offer than a theocracy.

Maybe one country two systems approach:

A theocracy and a democracy together.  

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Post time 2010-1-11 18:05:37 |Display all floors

Reply #5 seneca's post

Sorry to say the sources you are quoting in THIS thread are beyond hope and help.

Okay.. I am going to post one from Australia....The Age...soon.

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Post time 2010-1-11 18:55:10 |Display all floors

Reply #16 seneca's post

You don't seem toknow the Panchen Lama's biography.

Ohh....I missed this.  

Now, the Panchen Lama has reconciled with the CCP after his rehabilitation by Deng Xiaoping, didn't you know that?  He had never again mentioned all those things he wrote in the so-called 80,000 character Petition.  (Probably he had realised that what he had written were based a lot on rumours rather than facts).  

He offered himself to be the Governor of Tibet, and he was considered favorably by the then China Party Chief (can't remember whether it was Hu or Zhao).  But Deng Xiaoping didn't want to have a religious leader to be in that kind of political position.  I have not heard of his protest of being rejected by Deng for that post.

FYI, his predecessor The Ninth Panchen Lama was appointed as the Pacification Minister for the Western Regions (of China) by Chiang Kai-shek government,  and he was alloted 500 troops.  In addition to his own troops in the Western Regions of China, and his loyal fighting monks in Tibet itself, he could have returned to Tibet and took over the throne easily after the 13th Dalai Lama died (1933).   Did you know that?  Now the Ninth Panchen Lama was a Cabinet rank Minister, of CHINA, okay?

Do I need to tell you that the Tenth Panchen Lama married a Han Chinese woman - the one he came to know when he was taken care of in prison?   It appears to me that he  received hotel treatment while in prison, at least for some time?

They have a daughter.  She studied in the US and has returned to Tibet. Now wherever she goes, the Tibetans queue up to worship her and to be blessed by her, as though she is a Living Buddha herself.

Also, the current ELEVENTH Panchen Lama has grown up.  Wherever he goes, Tibetans also queue up by thousands to receive blessings from him !!!

Dalai Lama's enterprise is finished.  Because he is a coward who abandoned his people.

Zhao Enlai said to the Dalai Lama while both of them were in India (1956), WHEN HE COULD CHOOSE NOT TO RETURN TO TIBET.

"You can choose to stay.  But Tibet cannot go with you (to India)."

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Post time 2010-1-11 18:58:25 |Display all floors

seneca- from The Age. DALAI LAMA THE GUERRILLA AND NEPOTISM ... /1179601410290.html
Behind Dalai Lama's holy cloak
Mchael Backman
May 23, 2007

No mere spiritual leader, he was the head of Tibet's government when he went into exile in 1959. It was a state apparatus run by aristocratic, nepotistic monks that collected taxes, jailed and tortured dissenters and engaged in all the usual political intrigues. (The Dalai Lama's own father was almost certainly murdered in 1946, the consequence of a coup plot.)
The government set up in exile in India and, at least until the 1970s, received $US1.7 million a year from the CIA.

The money was to pay for guerilla operations against the Chinese, notwithstanding the Dalai Lama's public stance in support of non-violence, for which he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989.

The Dalai Lama himself was on the CIA's payroll from the late 1950s until 1974, reportedly receiving $US15,000 a month ($US180,000 a year).

Like many Asian politicians, the Dalai Lama has been remarkably nepotistic, appointing members of his family to many positions of prominence. In recent years, three of the six members of the Kashag, or cabinet, the highest executive branch of the Tibetan government-in-exile, have been close relatives of the Dalai Lama.

An older brother served as chairman of the Kashag and as the minister of security. He also headed the CIA-backed Tibetan contra movement in the 1960s.
A sister-in-law served as head of the government-in-exile's planning council and its Department of Health.

A younger sister served as health and education minister and her husband served as head of the government-in-exile's Department of Information and International Relations.

Their daughter was made a member of the Tibetan parliament in exile. A younger brother has served as a senior member of the private office of the Dalai Lama and his wife has served as education minister.

The second wife of a brother-in-law serves as the representative of the Tibetan government-in-exile for northern Europe and head of international relations for the government-in-exile. All these positions give the Dalai Lama's family access to millions of dollars collected on behalf of the government-in-exile.

The Dalai Lama might now be well-known but few really know much about him. For example, contrary to widespread belief, he is not a vegetarian. He eats meat. He has done so (he claims) on a doctor's advice following liver complications from hepatitis. I have checked with several doctors but none agrees that meat consumption is necessary or even desirable for a damaged liver.

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Post time 2010-1-17 00:24:58 |Display all floors
So was the expulsion of the Dorje Shugden sect a democratic and encompassing decision.

Or was this just the whim of an elder statesman come theocratic dictator?

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