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Post time 2009-8-23 12:29:33 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-8-23 13:27




you like to get one of those gals, yourself, wouldn't you!


I cannot comment on this but I know what you mean.

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Post time 2009-8-23 12:30:19 |Display all floors
It is estimated there is just 3 hours train ride from Shanghai to Beijing in the future. :)

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Post time 2009-8-23 12:50:28 |Display all floors

Reply #67 ilearnabc's post

Well, at the moment TRAIN RIDEs in China appears to cost less than FLIGHTs.
but takes up a lot of time, and doesn't have a convenient schedule.
Hopefully high speed trains, and increased frequency between supercentres such as that between Shanghai and Beijing would improve matters!


AIRLINEs has another advantage over trains beside speed and lower cost of infrastructure.
Planes needs less passenger to do a trip profitably!

so, the SHUTTLE FLIGHT which make travel between super centres a breeze, like taking a BUS with a 30 minute frequency!!!!
and this make the shuttle flight VERY COMPETITIVE too!


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Post time 2009-8-23 12:53:08 |Display all floors

When airlines run at a load factor of 90%.....

........you are assured of a seat on the SHUTTLE FLIGHT between cities....

ie. like taking a bus.

With China's 10 million a day passenger load, would the same be possible?


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Post time 2009-8-23 12:56:34 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-8-23 13:50


Planes needs less passenger to do a trip profitably!


They need less passengers but an high seat load factor in particular on domestic routes. There is hardly any East -  or South East Asian carrier that operates profitably below at least 80% SLF.  Not an easy goal if you consider that these carriers do have to serve not only the big/traditional business centers but also secondary cities/airports.

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Post time 2009-8-23 13:25:55 |Display all floors

Reply #70 satsu_jin's post

Some country solves this particular problem by having different airline companies.

Those LOW COST carriers could operate with HIGH LOAD FACTORs between major cities with high passenger demands.
The FULL FARE carriers can compete with the low cost carriers with economy seats WHILE chareger higher margin on large FIRST CLASS and BUSINESS CLASS seats. This reduce the required LOAD FACTOR to break even.
Then, there is the LESS FREQUENTED minor city or town, which are served by TURBO props which needs only 30-50 passengers per trip but on an infrequent schedule.

Trains on the other hand, have less flexibility....


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Post time 2009-8-23 13:44:20 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-8-23 14:25



It is still not easy and with each economic downturn some airlines just disappear, are merged or taken over by big competitors. Costs are skyrocketing, especially personnel costs and fuel. This forces some airlines to look for savings such as less maintenance etc.
Cheap Charlie airlines can only operate profitably as long as they can afford the fuel bills and hedging fuel costs does only help so far..,.

Look at Europe, where even famous airline companies disappeared, some in name, some were just bought by the competition. KLM comes in mind. It's now a 100% subsidiary of Air France or Swiss, Austrian Airlines, SABENA etc. - all owned by Lufthansa. Over here rumors are spreading that ANA and JAL will merge soon. The market is huge but airline companies always had the trend to take themselves out of operation because they sell too cheap. This trend will continue.

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