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Post time 2009-8-12 13:31:32 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-8-12 13:41



That means a trip from Hamburgh to Berlin will only take 1 hour?


Look at the map #26. All fully operational routes are in red color and if under construction or not yet 100% completed they are in yellow or brownish color. Hamburg - Berlin is in blue color and max. speed on these rails is approx. 160 km/h and there are no plans for bullet train speed..

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Post time 2009-8-12 13:34:23 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-8-12 13:49


1 km of high speed rail track must cost MILLIONs of Rmb to construct!
and in China we are talking about a few thousand km of tracks between super centres!



We're talking about 26,000 km of high speed tracks at an estimated cost of 2m U.S.$  per km.

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Post time 2009-8-12 13:57:06 |Display all floors

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so, there we have it.......

the COST EFFECTIVENESS of rail vs. flight....
A Airbus 320 cost around US$65 million...

so we can only build 33 km of rail for 1 plane that can do 150 passenger per flight....
with 28,000 km high speed rail, we are talking about 850 Airbus planes x150 per day or more for short flight distance = 130,000 passenger for single flight per day!

so, electricity cost vs kerosine cost needed, and maintenance of the tracks, capital cost to construct it as well!!!!
the rail network will save a lot of kerosine and allow China to use coal, hydroelectric and nuclear power to run, so less need for fossil fuel!!!

so, CHINA huge cities, huge population could probably yield 1,000,000 passenger a day!!!!

hmmmm

makes sense!

(maybe USA with 300 million people could save quite a lot of kerosine with HIGH SPEED TRAINS TOO!)


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Post time 2009-8-12 14:36:34 |Display all floors
if people were jobless, they stay at home , they ain't going to ride any train for fun.

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Post time 2009-8-12 14:42:13 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-8-12 13:57
so, there we have it.......

the COST EFFECTIVENESS of rail vs. flight....
A Airbus 320 cost around US$65 million...

so we can only build 33 km of rail for 1 plane that can do 150 passenger p ...


China and India both average around 10 million passengers on board a train at any one moment.
Trains are more efficient, especially where land is cheap, but airports use less space and disrupt peoples lives less.  Air travel is also more readily adaptable to changes in traffic load and demand.  once you build a dedicated high speed rail line you HAVE to use it or you are wasting boat loads of money and space, where as unused air capacity can be sold to other routes or countries and airports can adjust easily to new flight plans or be redeveloped into commercial or industrial use if they need to be replaced.

Both have their advantages, and any great country should pursue both.

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Post time 2009-8-12 14:48:25 |Display all floors
Originally posted by Exergy at 2009-8-12 15:42


Both have their advantages, and any great country should pursue both.



I agree with you. Both means of transportation are needed for a modern country. Here we have great bullet trains and a very dense domestic air network and both are profitable although the bullet train (2nd class) is as expensive as an air ticket.

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Post time 2009-8-12 15:01:08 |Display all floors
Originally posted by satsu_jin at 2009-8-12 14:48


Both have their advantages, and any great country should pursue both.



I agree with you. Both means of transportation are needed for a modern country. Here we have great bullet trai ...


The US air network is amazing, some of the airports are a little old these days but the whole system is extensive and unbelieveably cheap.  It expands and contracts, adapts and changes without most people ever knowing.  If only they could get the high speed rail corridors down in the heavily populated areas....

NIMBY is the pits, but its not the only reason the US cant get it done.

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