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The Basques (In Spain, for the challenged)

Political status and violence  Since its articulation by Sabino Arana in the late nineteenth century, the more radical currents of Basque nationalism have demanded the right of self-determination and even independence. It should be noted that within the Basque country, that this element of Basque politics is often in balance with the conception of the Basque Country as just another part of the Spanish state, a view more commonly espoused on the right of the political spectrum. In contrast, the desire for greater autonomy and/or independence is particularly common among leftist Basque nationalists. The right of self-determination was asserted by the Basque Parliament in 2002 and 2006.[26] Since self-determination is not recognized in the Spanish Constitution of 1978, a wide majority of Basques abstained and some even voted against it in the referendum of December 6 of that year. However, it was approved by clear majority at the Spanish level, and simple majority at Navarrese and Basque levels. The derived autonomous regimes for the (Western) Basque Country was approved in later referendum but the autonomy of Navarre (amejoramiento del fuero: "improvement of the charter") was never subject to referendum but just approved by the Navarrese Cortes (parliament).
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There is much stated about the rights of people who have an ethnic culture (flag, money, language) to determine their own rights in the modern world and under the rules or laws of democracy to determine their own future.

In discussing Tibet a dual Western position is seen in the rights of the Basques to determine their own future.

We can do this also with Kurdistan which was promised its own statehood at the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1918 by the Brits and rescinded by the Brits who got the oil part.

No doubt there are others such as the North American Indian, the Canadian Indian, the Maori in New Zealand and the Aborigines in Australia, and many others such as Hawaii etc, etc, etc. How could anyone from these countries claim to know anything about Tibet, autonomy, independence and human rights ??

So many examples and yet!

Hypocrisy??

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Post time 2009-7-5 08:28:48 |Display all floors
None of these groups save the Basques and Maoris have a significant nationalist movement.
"Justice prevails... evil justice."

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Interesting point.

Indeed, it signifies western hypocrisy.

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interesting

It is significant that you point out that any of these groups have rights.

It is significant that neither of the groups you mention have those rights.

I would point out that the Kurds have been the focus of atrocities against them since 1918 in their bid for independence and have a political, and a military faction which this is stated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. The Kurds make up more than 30 million people split into 4 countries by the Brits in 1918. Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq. They are the largest ethnic group after Arabs Persians and Turks.

Yet they do not feature as any part of a media campaign unless they blow someone up.
They do not seem to have the backing of any rights groups concerned with ethnic and cultural genocide.

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Post time 2009-7-5 19:27:49 |Display all floors

the WEST needs 2 wake up & smell the coffee instead...

all i can say this time is nobody's willin to let other people to rule 'em 4ever...and you will be knocked down at the end  

*heard of, "cant keep a goodman down"  

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Actually, the Kurds get a lot of media play. They got it since sometime in the 1980s when coverage of the Iran-Iraq war brought the Kurds, and their plight, to the public's attention. I think that most people in the West agree that the Kurds should have their own country.
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Post time 2009-7-6 00:36:16 |Display all floors

interesting

I am with you on that.

So why is it so low profile if the West is genuine.

I also would highlight the Basques as being media-less, except when certain elements commit acts which invoke press attention.

The West should balance its house on these issues before judging other or more media attentive issues.

I appreciate your frankness. Thank you.  

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