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Post time 2009-7-9 13:35:50 |Display all floors
If China would apply all this to the tbet region it might be more than the DL had asked for.
And it would insure lasting peace and "harmony".

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Post time 2009-7-9 13:41:52 |Display all floors

nemnaniat

Thanks for your answer.

First let us forget the religious Sh1t about the Basques. That is not an issue or part of the question.

But unfortunately it is part of the problem with the t.bet issue. Any type of autonomy would be led by a theocracy.

True they might dress it up with a bit of that voting stuff.   

Not a theocracy in an unbiased sense, but a theocracy sponsored and promoted by the West.

Meaningful Autonomy is a euphemism for a Western backed entity based on people's naivety of Gods and religion.

You know, religion where Christians kill Catholics and vice versa, Muslims kill anyone etc, etc, etc,

Back to the Basques and especially the Kurds.

Finally, as a separate indigenous people's why can the Basques not have independence?

Why are the Kurds forgotten, unless it is useful to topple an oil regime?

After all in the ultimately gentlemanly first world, you only have to ask and it is your right!

Do you promote the Basques and the Kurds and support them as vehemently as you do autonomy for t.bet?

I doubt it. You just dislike the system in China and therefore anything is wrong and must be changed.

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Post time 2009-7-9 13:46:20 |Display all floors

nemnaniat

Religion does not bring peace and harmony.

Only a gun can do that.


As to the Basques can strike or hold demonstrations.

So what. No one is listening.   

Certainly not the media as it gets no attention.

So you read this somewhere, but you did not see it on CNN or the BBC.  

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Post time 2009-7-9 13:54:45 |Display all floors
Originally posted by expatter at 2009-7-9 13:46
Religion does not bring peace and harmony.

Only a gun can do that.


As to the Basques can strike or hold demonstrations.

So what. No one is listening.   

Certainly not the media as it  ...


Demonstrations and General strikes performed in a peaceful way and dealt with in a peaceful way surely do not attract much media attention.

If a government resort to a "crack down" that one is getting of course media attention !!!

That a gun brings peace I have to object very much.

It brings fear and reason to future uprisings



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Post time 2009-7-9 14:05:10 |Display all floors
What meaningful autonomy and peaceful, sincere negotiations can do to a region, European Nations have proven in several instances:

- Northern Island
- Basque
- South Tirol

- Corsica seems not to be settled yet, but I think it will be done, too.

In all these instances not an increase in force did it, but rather patience and honest negotiations,

and not for achieving territorial integrity, but peoples self determination as a priority.

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Post time 2009-7-9 14:26:50 |Display all floors
Originally posted by nemnaniat at 2009-7-9 15:05
What meaningful autonomy and peaceful, sincere negotiations can do to a region, European Nations have proven in several instances:

- Northern Island
- Basque
- South Tirol

- Corsica seems  ...



You forgot Kosovo.......

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Post time 2009-7-9 14:40:29 |Display all floors
The Kosovo problem is still it's infancy, like Northern Island once was.

But it will be dealt with in the same way, patience and negotiations,

And I forgot to mention about the past "settled" instances:

No sealing off territories by any government, keeping a transparent atmosphere with no hidden agendas.

Letting people move freely in and out.

No control of the media and journalists.

This cannot be denied - so there are some important differences how to deal with such things.

No crack downs !!!  No forced relocation !!!


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[ Last edited by nemnaniat at 2009-7-9 02:42 PM ]

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