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Post time 2009-4-11 17:00:07 |Display all floors
Realy, who will end up stoping all the pirates in the Major shiping lanes around Somalia? They threatin
every country who does business in their waters so i think once agian America will be presured by other
countrys to use its millitary to try to solve problems overseas, or mabey even by it citizens since they are
holding an american hostage (I definatly wouldent want to be those 4 pirates after the capt. of the ship is
safe.) But is american intervintion the only way?

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Post time 2009-4-11 17:12:27 |Display all floors
I think it is a big problem……
Perhaps we can gther some related counties together to hold a meeting ,talking how to solve this problem.
We should work out the problem fundamentally.

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Post time 2009-4-11 17:33:24 |Display all floors
Originally posted by Asgaria at 2009-4-11 19:00
Realy, who will end up stoping all the pirates in the Major shiping lanes around Somalia? They threatin
every country who does business in their waters so i think once agian America will be presured by other
countrys to use its millitary to try to solve problems overseas, or mabey even by it citizens since they are
holding an american hostage (I definatly wouldent want to be those 4 pirates after the capt. of the ship is
safe.) But is american intervintion the only way?  ...


Well China is there too and the PLAN has been safeguarding ships.
As far as I know they haven't been involved in any major incidents but if I was a pirate I wouldn't be messin' with them, or any of the other navies there.

Only in the last day or so a French commando team attacked a private vessel (a family Yacht) which was held by pirates after negotiations broke down.
Unfortunately one of the 5 hostages was killed.
Unfortunately only two of the 5 pirates was killed.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy at all for the pirates, maximum lethal force whenever innocent lives are not at stake, is what I'd recommend, and the pirate actions have set a precedent which should allow a limited coastal incursion to destroy the pirate commanders.
"他不是救星, 他是一个非常淘气男孩" - Monty Python

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Post time 2009-4-14 06:36:04 |Display all floors

The real pirates

The real problem is the pirates based in Washington DC,London and Tel Aviv.For 500 years they have
terrorised the world and caused damage that will lead to the end of civilisation and possibly of human
life.

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Post time 2009-4-14 07:14:57 |Display all floors

More than meet the eyes...

Some said these pirates were fishermen driven to piracy by diminishing catches and poverty.

I don't buy that story. Simple fishermen do not go buy assault rifles, grenade launchers, GPS systems, high speed motor boats and plan attacks on shipping lanes.

Piracy is driven by something more sinister and appearing everywhere. In the Caribbean, I suspect drug smugglers are behind it. The Malacca Straits... more problematic. Gulf of Aden and off Somalia... even more problematic.

I don't think arming merchant vessels is a good idea either. This will almost certainly ensure escalation. Next it will be recoilless rifles or guns and guided anti-tank missiles, albeit old ones. How would you like one of those hitting a tanker?

You can't make a habit of escorting convoys of merchant vessels with frigates of the Guangzhou class either, the cost is prohibitive and the frigates are there for another purpose.

I am disappointed with western intelligence yet again, after their Saddam Hussein WMD bull----. Intelligence not so intelligent.

This is a war fought with " human intelligence (HUMINT) " and " security forces ". Beef up the SAS for hit and run operations on high seas and on foreign soils. We need some alive.

What's a recoilless gun? Here is one, used by the French in Algeria 50 years ago and mounted on a scooter...
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Let the dice fly high

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Post time 2009-4-14 07:32:42 |Display all floors

Piratas declare huntin seazon on Gringos!

Breaking News

Backlash Fear After US Navy Shoots Pirates

9 hours 19 mins ago
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The US Navy's dramatic rescue of an American sea captain has ushered in a new era of "guerilla warfare" on the open seas, a piracy expert has told Sky News Online.

Snipers hidden in the rear of US warship the USS Bainbridge shot dead three of the four pirates holding Captain Richard Phillips in a lifeboat off the Horn of Africa.

Admiral William Gortney revealed it only took the Navy SEALs three shots to kill the captors after they were spotted "with their heads and shoulders exposed".

Now Somali pirate chief Abdi Garad has vowed to hunt down all Americans sailing in the Gulf of Aden in revenge for the "murders".

"The American liars have killed our friends after they agreed to free the hostage without ransom," he told Al Jazeera by phone from Eyl, a pirate base on Somalia's eastern coast.

"But I tell you that this matter will lead to retaliation and we will hunt down particularly American citizens travelling our waters."

Experts point out that so far Somali pirates have not killed a single captive - but this may now change and lead them to use more brutal tactics in the pursuit of ransom money.

It has also raised fears for the 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of Somalia.

"This has now changed everything, what we are now dealing with is maritime guerilla warfare," maritime security expert Nick Davis told Sky News Online.

"Your average Caucasian white guy does not want to be operating in the Indian Ocean - because his card is now marked.

"I would not want to be on an American-flagged ship in the Indian Ocean at the moment, that's for sure."

He believes the vowed revenge attacks could also put European crew at risk.

It will also not have been helped by French navy commandos storming a pirate-held boat on Friday, killing two pirates and one French hostage, and freeing four French citizens.

"Your average Somali pirate might just be 18 years old, and is likely to be uneducated. All he'll see is a white guy - he's not going to know if he's English or American," he added.

"This will send absolute shockwaves through the merchant shipping industry."

He said when markets reopen tomorrow, shipping companies will be looking to mitigate the risks of travelling through areas known for pirate attacks.

And this might include deregistering from US shipping operators, and sailing under the flag of countries like Panama, the Philippines, or Greece.

But he said that this process is highly bureaucratic and can take months.

President Obama gave the order for the US Navy to "take decisive action" if Captain Phillips was at risk, and has vowed to crack down on piracy.

But Mr Davis said despite the rhetoric, in reality there is "absolutely nothing" the US military can do.

"There are no amount of warships in the world that can solve this problem," he stressed.

He points out that the pirates have satellite phones, keep in close contact with each other, and operate in six million square kilometres of ocean.

They also use speedboats capable of travelling at 35mph, compared to the average merchant ship's speed of 10-15mph, and carry enough fuel to operate for 12 hours.

Many also have a mother ship for refuelling - meaning they can operate in deep water for three or four days at a time.

Hours after the rescue, mortar shells were fired at Mogadishu's airport as US congressman Donald Payne was leaving Somalia, but there were no casualties.

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Post time 2009-4-14 07:42:26 |Display all floors
Originally posted by emucentral at 2009-4-11 17:33


Well China is there too and the PLAN has been safeguarding ships.
As far as I know they haven't been involved in any major incidents but if I was a pirate I wouldn't be messin' with them, or a ...


I really dont know whats going on with armchair commandoes like you guys, expecting everything to be readily served in a silver platter for your convenience or enjoyment. Anyway, I guess thats why we are not doing too well nowadays both on workforces, where our high school commandoes barely meet the skills for flipping hamburgers at mcdonalds, our glorious politicians constantly leading us by example and, our brave military hiding in safe gated islands or communities throughout iraq and afghanistan. Anyway, for your pleasure, i googled children+pirates+somali and got following link of interest, which was earlier broadcasted in tv news channels

http://themoderatevoice.com/2875 ... n-hes-16-years-old/

Rumors abound that the pirates got shot in the back after it was agreed to exchange prisoner for pirates freedom. The "pirates" were just children playing pirates games which they've had seen so many times on holywood movies. It really takes someone lacking moral scrupples to shoot children in the back. All was needed was to throw a few chocolate bars at them.

Now, the stupid but proud yank taxpayer will spend another 100 billions on.....a war against piracy!!! All the world is laughing at that PR disaster. The dumb American media is calling it a "great escape", we here call it a "great deal" with the Hollywood accent. Has he sold rights on his "escape" scenario? Well, at least the captain will get at the very least a made for TV (Black Hawk Down) movie out of it. The dumb americans will get to watch navy Seals in action over and over...

Great PR of a needy US military.

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