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Let's Get A Dialogue Going On The Da.lai's 50th Anniversary Speech [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2009-4-9 11:33:50 |Display all floors
[i]"Today is the fiftieth anniversary of the Tib.etan people’s peaceful uprising against Com.munist China’s rep.ression in Tibet. Since last March widespread peaceful protests have erupted across the whole of Tib.et. Most of the participants were youths born and brought up after 19.59, who have not seen or experienced a free Tib.et. However, the fact that they were driven by a firm conviction to serve the cause of Tib.et that has continued from generation to generation is indeed a matter of pride. It will serve as a source of inspirati

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Post time 2009-4-9 11:51:51 |Display all floors

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Propaganda is for both sides.

The 1959 event you refer to had a weapons cache and training supplied by the CIA since 1956.

Please don't be so naive as to think that weapons and training are for peaceful purposes.

This was pre-conspired and planned.


These peaceful incidents since March have involved the death of Chinese civilians and police.

Where are you getting these ideas from that killing is peaceful?

Why would you be proud these people died?

You call this peaceful?


As for conviction. We should look forward to these people getting convicted.

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Post time 2009-4-9 15:05:54 |Display all floors
I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of the Dalai Lama's comments. They seem to reflect an extreme departure from his past remarks where he at least acknowledged that a great many Tibetans were not peaceful and even questioned the wisdom behind these protests, yet here he seems to saying everything to the contrary. I even read that he suggested the Lhasa riots last March were staged by Chinese police.

I don't understand why he has suddenly gone to this whitewashing of Tibetan history. Even just a year ago he acknowledged the violence, but now it seems he's acting like it didn't happen.

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Post time 2009-4-9 18:31:01 |Display all floors

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In April 1949 U.S. Secretary of State Dean Acheson cabled his Ambassador in New Delhi that the U.S. rulers would like to see "Tibetan military capacity [to] resist quietly strengthened." Tibet historian A. Tom Grunfeld writes: "In the summer of 1950 instructions were given to the Office of Policy Coordination, the bureaucratic arm officially in charge of covert operations, to `initiate psychological warfare and paramilitary operations against the Chinese Communist regime.' "

Top feudal forces around the Dalai Lama offered themselves as eager agents--first to the reactionary Kuomintang (KMT) forces led by Chiang Kai-shek on Taiwan and soon to the U.S. directly. The Dalai Lama's two older brothers, the "incarnated lama" Thubten Jigme Norbu and Gyalo Thondup, emerged as key Tibetan CIA agents.

Grunfeld writes, "George Patterson...was intimately involved as a translator and go-between in these negotiations. He reported that in 1953 Thubten Norbu contacted the CIA and was told to take his case to the KMT (from whom he was already receiving covert aid). Patterson also recalled an encounter two years later between Ragpa Pangdatsang and representatives from the Indian and American governments. At this time the United States was supposed to have suggested a ten-year plan of revolt, the aim of which was the eventual overthrow of China's control in Tibet.... John F. Avedon, whose recent book can be considered the `official' version of the Dalai Lama view of history, contends that Gyalo Thondup made an agreement with the CIA as early as 1951. It was initially an intelligence-gathering arrangement upgraded to guerrilla warfare in 1956. Within a short space of time the United States had eclipsed the KMT as the rebel's prime source of military aid." Grunfeld adds that in opening these arrangements with the U.S. imperialists, Thubten Norbu carried "a letter authorizing him to negotiate on behalf of the Dalai Lama." In 1958, the CIA started using air bases in Bangkok, Thailand to airdrop guns and ammunition into the ethnic-Tibetan regions of Kham.



According to these sources cited and the one which includes the DL's own tome, contact started as early as 1951 with shipment drops in 1958.

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Post time 2009-4-10 14:29:28 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2009-4-9 18:07
Hmm, Kodama, and you have always had 1000% faith in the 'official' comments on the events under discussion??? That is very, very surprising, nay, make that SUSPICIOUS!


What? Anyone who has any knowledge of the 1959 uprising knows well enough that it was not some peaceful uprising. The same goes for the protests and riots last year.

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Post time 2009-4-14 00:22:35 |Display all floors

Seneca

I am going to come down on your side.

I think this very young man, the DL as he was at this time, was hamstrung by the events.

This happened in 1950 when he had agreement with Beijing and then this became something else in 1956 - 57.

This became something else in 1959.

Strangely, Chairman M@a actually became the moderate in all of this.

I will elucidate later in another thread.

If you know about Pu Yi and M@a you will start to understand the compassion in man.

Are you willing to find out for yourself? :)

Cheers

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Post time 2009-4-14 13:36:59 |Display all floors

Seneca

Humanist, No.

Human, Yes.

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