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Post time 2009-2-27 15:12:21 |Display all floors
Originally posted by laoda1 at 2009-2-24 06:04
Auctioning the looted China treasures by thieving foreigners

Invasion and PLUNDER of Peking by eight foreign powers - Austria-Hungary, France, Germany, Italy,
Japan, Tsarist Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United August 1900

For that many years, these Western thieves hid their loot in private collections and some of them even
shamelessly display them in their museums.

And now they want to auction these stolen treasures of the hope that China will buy back its treasures
looted by the same thieving foreigners....this is the jungle law of the Western civilization....

you are mixing wars.  The 12 zodiac heads were looted by the english and the french 40 years before the 8 nation alliance.  

also no one ever mentions why the 8 power alliance was there in beijing, to restore law and stop the murder of foreigners.  You might not like foreigners but you cant just go out and kill them, especially ambassadors with out provoking some sort of response.
again first hand sources mentioned that the US, Japanese, and British did not loot Beijing either for believing it was wrong or for needing troops elsewhere.  The worst looters in 1900 were the Germans as they were especially unhappy about their embassy being burned and all of their citizens torn to shreds.

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Post time 2009-2-27 17:28:33 |Display all floors
Look at it another way, all this cries of national indignities suffered at the hands of  avarious foreign barbarians, while achieving not the apparent aim of recovering the busts, it does help maintain the fiction that China is a rich culture, and the better if you could get it price tagged the modern commercial way.

Not all is lost.

"When the heads first appeared on the bidding market in 1985, they were valued at only 500 US dollars each. That's now rocketed to tens of millions."

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Post time 2009-2-27 18:17:30 |Display all floors
Was Zheng He capable of fathering children himself?

I thought I understand the job prerequisites of serving as an eunuch.  But I also was told that Zheng's progenies, a branch of it anyway can now be found in Kunming on one of those history/explorer shows.

Whats the deal here?

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Gandhi items 'to return to India'

Global thefts of cultural relics .... by former colonial powers and foreigners ....and
their auction seems to be the order of the day....

China, India, Egypt, Peru.........must sponsor a joint United Nations resolution to make it
illegal for auction houses to transact/sell stolen cultural relics from member countries and
to compel criminal heirs of thieves to prove legal ownership of these......

In these dire economic times, these criminal layabout heirs of the colonial thieves are
starting to come out to desperatly sell the stolen goods.....

The so-called International Criminal Court - ICC) and the so-called International Court of Justice (ICJ)
- both located at Hague, Netherlands - cannot be counted to look into these cases nor other legal
cases for that matter since both these two so-called courts are only pursuing the political and
economic agenda of Western powers................


Gandhi items 'to return to India'

The sale had provoked protests in India

An auction of personal effects of Mahatma Gandhi has gone ahead, despite protests from India and the seller's last-minute attempt to halt it.

James Otis offered Gandhi's iconic round glasses, a pocket watch, leather sandals, plate and bowl for sale.

His decision to withdraw came only after bidding had begun and the items had sold for $1.8m (£1.27m).

They were bought by Indian businessman Vijay Mallya, who plans to return them to India, his agent said.

"I am sure all Indians will be pleased that these Gandhi items will be coming home," said Tony Bedi, who had bid at the auction on Mr Mallya's behalf.

"Basically he was bidding for the country," said Mr Bedi.

The Antiquorum auction house in New York says that it will not finalise the sale for two weeks to allow any legal issues to be resolved.

The auction had led to uproar in India, with one minister calling it a "gross commercialisation".

The Indian government had come under immense pressure to bring back the items.

"Gandhiji himself would not have agreed to these conditions," India's junior Foreign Minister Anand Sharma said earlier.

"Gandhiji's memory and values should not be violated, the auction should not take place," he said.

Mr Otis, a peace activist, said that he wanted to sell the items to raise money to promote pacifism.

He had earlier said he would withdraw the items from the auction and donate them to India if the Indian government allocated 5% of its budgetary spending for the poor.

But Mr Sharma said the Indian government could not "enter into such agreements where it involves specific areas of allocation of resources".

'Very dear'

Gandhi's spectacles, which he once said gave him "the vision to free India", a pair of his sandals and his pocket watch were among the five items due to be sold. A plate and a bowl used by Gandhi were also among the lots.

"The Zenith watch that will be sold was gifted to him by Indira [Gandhi], who became the prime minister of India later on, and it was very dear to Bapu [Gandhi]," Gandhi's great-grandson Tushar Gandhi, told the BBC.

"The plate and the bowl are the ones from which he took his last meal before he was murdered.

"The sandals he made with his own hands, and he gifted them to a British army officer who had taken photographs during his halt in Aden when he was on his way to London to attend the round table conference [to discuss India's independence]," Mr Gandhi explained.

Mahatma Gandhi is widely revered in India as the leader of the independence movement against British rule.

BBC Thursday, 5 March 2009

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Post time 2009-3-6 17:45:09 |Display all floors
Originally posted by laoda1 at 2009-3-6 17:13
Gandhi items 'to return to India'  

Gandhi's personal effects were not stolen, they were bought.  Perhaps the same India that is now claiming these things should not be allowed to be sold should have followed its own advice when it sold them in the past.  The use of those items might be against Gandhi's wishes but a man, even a great man does not retain ownership of every thing he ever owned after he sells it or after he dies thus unless he wrote specifically about the effects in his will his wish is not to be considered.

Also the US courts have stayed the sale for further legal consideration.

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