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Post time 2009-1-15 03:57:33 |Display all floors

joe's reply to tom:

Originally posted by joeching at 2009-1-14 11:56 AM
Joe,

Read a little about historical linguistics and languages-in-contact phenomena, in order to predict the future. Mostly the changes you envision are unattested.  But the changes that are att ...


tom, unlike u, i underlearned english.  but fortunately, i m at least good enough to understand ur email.

so, let me make two comments on what u said:

1. the technical english subset i m proposing actually have nothing to do with english except of its monopoly of the commercial markets for now.  this subset is assembled from the natural-language programming language(about 1000 words), and all the effort in its development is in the nurturing of what i called COMPUTER INTELLIGENCE, as oppose to artificial intelligence.  believe me, computer has its own intelligence, and forcing it to think like the error-prong humans as in AI is a big mistake.

2. what u said about :"A character set does not constitute a language" is not exactly true for pictorial languages.  look at the placards and paintings in asian restaurants.  each of the characters u see is absolutely central to the message being conveyed.  in fact, many of the cultural characters are deeply carved into all asians that govern their behavior as much as their dna's.

this is how i v reduced the whole asian cultuer to:  情義直忠合

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Post time 2009-1-16 02:56:56 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2009-1-15 12:16 AM
Joe, there simply is no way you can stop the 'rot' (from your point of view) of English making further inroads internationally! Do you know why? It's not being foisted on anyone (except by foreign  ...


i m also promoting english but as a universal technical language.  i just want to remove all it's discriminating features like grammar, spelling and pronounciation.
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Post time 2009-1-16 03:14:42 |Display all floors

a PROMISE is A promise...

Originally posted by joeching at 2009-1-14 14:20


at 65, and yet to pick up korean and japanese... VIETNAMESE-- in my next life maybe.



vietnamese is much easier...just try out vdict.com if you're ready roll  

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Post time 2009-1-16 03:18:25 |Display all floors
Originally posted by joeching at 2009-1-15 03:10


a international language is not that big a deal except as an equalizer between the english-speaking haves and non-speaking have not.  it would therefore strictly be for technical pursuit.  english has an early lead bcs it for now dominates the commercial market places.  

actually, i v already constructed the universal computer english language(500 to 1000 words), and learning them would allow anybody to do computing, from programing the computer to doing computer analysis, anywhere from analysis of a pingpong match and also debunk the mit's hoax about winning in blackjack, to optimal design of a space nuclear reactor, which i did for reagon's star war and bush's anti-missile defense system, which he lied to us as jupitor mission.

as to korean, it's alphabetical and it makes more sense as i get deeper into it.  although, i must say it's not taught very well.  most teaching techniques confuses more than help, except maybe for pimsleur.  if i have 3 months to spare, i ll get everybody into speaking/writing korean in 3 months.

the merits of korea is that it has added culture value than the chinese in how it conveys feeling of the speaker.  and it's not only musical, but very modern at that, as it raps( i did cracked my jaw learning to rap for an asia).  finally, it's pronounciation is unambiguous by strict correlation to the alphabets.  


I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Is this international language you're talking about a human language (i.e. for inter-human communication, which can include literature, including poetry), or are you talking about a language for technical interaction between man and machine? The two are two different things. If you're talking about a computer language, then this would be a specialized language that only specialists in the field would need to learn.

If, however, you're talking about an international human language that all would have to learn as a second-language, then it would have to be capable of expressing not only imperative commands and technical data, but also be capable of literary devices and poetry. In addition to this, if we're aiming at a language that fulfils certain moral requirements, it would also have to be easy enough for the average person to learn to fluency by the age of 15 or so, to make sure that all can have access to it, and not just the elites of society.

Now I'll assume here that you're referring to an international human language and not computer language. In taht case, how would we go about it? As a short-term, temporary and partial solution, I believe that adopting a policy similar to that of the springboard2languages project or that of the Italian Ministry of Education, simply allowing interested schools to teach Esperanto as an alternative second-language to fulfil graduation requirements would a step in the right direction.

If we're talking about a more long-term and complete solution, then I believe the ony way to go about that would be to consult with the members of the UN to either adopt or create a language that they could all agree to, that would be easy for all to learn, which could then be taught children in all schools.

I don't see the short-term and long-term solutions to be mutually exclusive though. In fact, I believe that they are not only compatible, but even mutually supportive of one another. After all, before we could ever have everyone learn Esperanto compulsorily, we'd first have to allow schools to teach it at their own free will, since otherwise we'd have a teacher shortage anyway. So the growth of Esperanto would still need to be gradual and sustainable.

And as for long-term solutions, before we can convince the world to accept an end to the privileged linguistic status of the elites through an agreed-upon world aucxiliary language, that status would need to be considerably weekened already. Esperanto could do that once it should have grown enough. In this sense, even if Esperanto is not to become the final world auxiliary language of the future, it would still prove to be a necessary step towards that goal. In this sense, Esperanto would still serve a necessary purpose even if only as a stepping stone to another language.
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Post time 2009-1-16 03:23:49 |Display all floors
To post #23.

I agree with much of what you say here. Without a common language, any union can be but based on materialism. After all, if people can't even communicate with one another heart-to-heart, then all they can do is swing money in each others' faces or speak through an interpretor to negotiate prices and policies.

So yes, any international culture will need to be based on a common religion (I'm using the term here very loosely to suggest some common values, such as love, charity, justice, etc., that are common to all of the world's religions and cultures) and a common language. And that can only be done if the language is easy enough for all to learn. And in that sensse, seeing that such a language would itself be an expression of the value of justice and brotherhood, the two could be expressed together (i.e. the sense of justice and brotherhood are reflected through a language that puts all on an equal footing).
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Post time 2009-1-16 03:25:01 |Display all floors
Originally posted by joeching at 2009-1-15 03:31


enough to change the status of my computer from being my student to becoming my teacher.

my work on computer intelligence -- listening to the computer how it wants to think, has already came ...


A technical language is very different from a language designed for interaction between humans. Are you promoting a universal technical language here or a universal human language?
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Post time 2009-1-16 03:34:25 |Display all floors
Originally posted by joeching at 2009-1-15 03:49


english should be destroyed for it's anti-culture value.  the book of sexual perversion and armageddon-promoting called the bible should be the 1st one to go.

if worrying about whether i m a techie of not, just get on www.ping-pong.net and click the first link to take a drive on my ROBACUS, robotic abacus, which u should notice is completely in english, though trashed.  must try the designing of a space nuclear reactor in 5 secs.  


I wouldn't say that English is 'anti-culture', but I agree that for most (with emphasis on the word 'most' sinse there are exceptions) non-native English speakers do usually learn the language for solely materialistic gain, with no interest in justice and brotherhood whatsoever. In that sense, I agree that for the most part (again with emphasis and an acknowledgement that there are exceptions) English as an International language is generally void of any spiriuality, and seems to be exclusively based on a shallow material culture. This is not a healthy way to build an international culture. If international culture is but materialistic, then countries will enter only into marriages of convenience, always looking to benefit materially from neighbouring countries, and never caring to truly make genuine friends with them.

I must point out however, that the culture of English as an international language is very different from the culture of English as a native language, which does have a more spiritual base, at least relatively speaking anyway, and this might explain why some native English-speakers oppose English as an international language even more than some non-native English-speakers do. They probaly feel that English as an international language just doesn't reflect their values and beliefs concerning justice and brotherhood.

Now as for the Bible, I don't profess the Christian Faith myself, but I can say that if the Bible is considered within its historical context, it was progressive for its time. Though some of its social teachings might have become a little outdated (one of the reasons I don't profess the Christian Faith), its spiritual teachings still apply today just as much as they always have.
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