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Post time 2008-12-20 13:35:35 |Display all floors
Timba,

Go read up on the people who formed the Republic of Hawaii and get back to me then. What happened is that a very popular queen--she was personally popular, she didn't have any real policies and even considered the legalization of opium--was overthrown by the people actually running the kingdom before she could, they felt, damage the country further.
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Post time 2008-12-20 13:41:05 |Display all floors
Interesting,

China’s claim of Tibet is factually stronger than the US claim of California.

During the early Chinese Dynasty of Xia, the Chinese nation lays South-Western China including part of Tibet today. The most famous Xia Emperor is recorded to initiate the ethnic linage by creating a few tribes which derive to ethnic Tibetans today. This is why Tibetans and Chinese are the same family. You cannot claim Caucasians and Native Americans are the same family.

Tibet is referred to as part of China throughout Chinese Dynasties. For example, the Ming Dynasty is recorded to have set Dbus-Gtsang Itinerant High Governor and theMdo-khams Itinerant High Governor for east Tibet; and the E-Li-Si Army-Civilian Marshal Office in Ngari in west Tibet. In 1587, the Ming Dynasty central government granted the title of Dorjichang and Vajradhara (provincial governor title) for the 3rd Dalai Lama.

Qing Dynasty follows Ming Dynasty. No one challenge Tibet is part of Qing Dynasty.

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Post time 2008-12-20 13:44:02 |Display all floors
Interesting,

Inspired by Western views:

The only and most common sense approach to end riots in the US is to allow for California (LA), Ohio (Cincinnati) etc independence. Blacks and Muslims have separate race, culture and religious identity. The US Anglo Saxon regime conducts culture genocide for decades. It is difficult to find unbiased reasons why should the US hold control over a land that is independent until 200 years ago. My question is why are world leaders accepting US' sovereignty over North America?

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Post time 2008-12-20 13:49:10 |Display all floors
Interesting,

You are told democracy is justice. The European majority in the US ensures their interests. In fact, democracy is a suppression of minority wills, sometimes quite bloody.

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Post time 2008-12-20 13:57:18 |Display all floors
Timba,

US sovereignty over North America was established, originally, by its cession from Britain to the Continental Congress by the Treaty of Paris. British sovereignty over that portion North America was established by its universal recognition and sound legal claims to it. If you have a problem with the existence of the US, take it up with Britain.

Because all potential claimants have actively participated in US government and sought remedy under US law, submitting itself to its express jurisdiction, they have accepted--often for centuries--the legitimacy of US jurisdiction over acts occurring within this territory. Moreover, no potential claimant to the core territories of the US has an unadulterated claim to them and none have been deprived of sovereignty by extra-legal means. Moreover, their active participation in US elections stands as penultimate evidence against any grievance stemming from any real or perceived loss of sovereignty. Finally, there is no such claimant which currently has standing as there is no living member of said government, in-country or in exile, to make such a claim. There exist no current nor former heads of state to challenge US jurisdiction and there are no governments in existence with a claim to continuity with any potential claimant from the past.

These things being so, there is no person with standing to challenge US sovereignty over its territories in North America and hence all such claims are now and have been perfunctorily dismissed.

[ Last edited by interesting at 2008-12-20 11:48 AM ]
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Post time 2008-12-20 14:07:54 |Display all floors
Timba,

The US claim on California is actually really strong. Mexico engaged in hostilities against the US, lost a war and ceded its claims on California to the US. Moreover, California acceded, my a majority vote of its population, to the union as a state, nullifying any claim which may have arisen from any prior action. Until that point, California was alienable. Upon petition and grant of an Organic Act by mutual agreement and support, California became an inalienable territory of the US.

The claims of no Chinese state can even begin to hold a candle to the claim the US has on any state due to the nature of incorporation. You have to actually sign the thing over to the US and a majority of the people must agree with it in an open election. That's a very very high bar and one which the US is not guaranteed to succeed in obtaining: I point you towards Puerto Rico.

[ Last edited by interesting at 2008-12-20 12:07 PM ]
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Post time 2008-12-20 14:11:18 |Display all floors
Also, as to "European majority", please examine the fact that the rulers of all North American territories at the time of the annexation were European. Mexicans are an admixture of Spanish and natives, you know, and California was run by them with claims from them. If you have a problem with California, take it up with Mexico.
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