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Post time 2008-11-15 13:13:58 |Display all floors
This is interesting.  Is the current economic situation a factor in this statement?

Britain was the first goverment to recognize the new government of China in 1949, probably due to financial implications.

With the deep current economic climate it now issues a throwaway statement in the Houses of Parliament.


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U.K. Policy Angers Tibet Ahead of Beijing Talks.                NOVEMBER 1, 2008    By SHAI OSTER

BEIJING -- The Tibetan government-in-exile criticized Britain's move to more explicitly recognize China's sovereignty over Tibet, a dispute that could complicate talks between Beijing and representatives of Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.
The U.K. has long acknowledged Chinese control over Tibet, but its policy for nearly a century has stopped short of formally recognizing Tibet as part of Chinese territory -- a stance that bothers China's government. In a statement on Wednesday, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband called that past British policy an "anachronism" and effectively abandoned it, saying that the U.K. does recognize Tibet as "part of the People's Republic of China."

The shift is largely symbolic, but some analysts say it could further weaken the position of the Tibetan exiles in ongoing talks with China. Britain's stance was unusual among foreign governments, and its rejection of that position could undercut Tibet's argument that it wasn't seen as part of China before Chinese troops occupied the territory in 1951.

A British official at the foreign office in London said on Friday that Mr. Miliband's statement represented only a clarification, and that the U.K.'s actual position hasn't changed. On Friday, Thubten Samphel, spokesman for the Tibetan government-in-exile based in Dharmsala, India, said: "Before 1950, we had many treaties with British India government in which Britain recognized Tibet as an independent country." For the U.K. to say now that it always saw Tibet as a part of China is "testifying to [a] falsehood," he said.
The Tibetan statement came as two high-level Tibetan emissaries arrived in China for five days of talks, starting the eighth round of negotiations since 2002 over the future of Tibet. The last round ended with an impasse in July, during heightened international pressure on China before the Beijing Olympics in August.

British officials said Mr. Miliband's statement was aimed at helping the negotiations.
The Dalai Lama has said repeatedly that he seeks not independence, but autonomy and the ability for Tibetans to worship freely and maintain their culture. China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs declined to comment on the British statement.

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Post time 2008-11-15 17:38:40 |Display all floors

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The British Club has now gain much more FREEDOM with the RISE OF CHINA.

so, UK feel so much freer to dictate it's own foreign policies.


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Post time 2008-11-15 18:54:52 |Display all floors
Expatter,

Do tell why the British would have recognized the PRC over financial considerations in 1949. It's more likely that they felt Mao would be more willing to recognize the McMahon Line; it's no secret that the British deferred to India on most regional matters and feared that they might become entangled in any hostilities between India and China.

The idea that it was financial doesn't float well because the PRC didn't have any financial clout. In fact, if you wanted to tap finances, the best bet was the ROC. Nor would it have been because of outstanding bonds if the 1949 date is correct. They would have withheld it and made it a part of their negotiations. Ultimately, they did this over the Kowloon Peninsula question instead, or so it appears.
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Post time 2008-11-15 19:55:30 |Display all floors
Originally posted by expatter at 2008-11-15 14:13
This is interesting.  Is the current economic situation a factor in this statement?

Britain was the first goverment to recognize the new government of China in 1949, probably due to financial im ...



The UK was indeed the first Western country to recognize the PRC in 1949, followed by The Netherlands, in the same year.

The reason was not financially or economically motivated but simply because of the former British Crown Colony Hongkong. The UK did not want to have any conflict with China about this territory and, as we all know by now, it worked well for both sides.

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Post time 2008-11-15 20:23:46 |Display all floors

Hi Guys,

Interesting

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In addition to the above as you stated, Hong Kong.

The Brits had a well established manufacturing and marketing base and network in China.

That is why I stated that there was a possible financial implication in being the first to recognize China in 1949.

It is my belief, and I do stress this idea is a belief,  that 1949 Britain was as anti-communist as America.  
The politics in Germany in the 30's had been deeply set in what had happened in the U.S.S.R in 1917.
In 1949 America was just approaching the McCarthy era in the U.S.
Stalin at Yalta showed that he would not play ball and the Western powers feared more war.
That must be a clue as to how the world perceived politics that were unfavourable to themselves.
This was further followed by Korea and Vietnam as the ideology played off against each other.

It would have been easier for Britain to ignore the events of 1949 in China as the political norm of the time, and for this reason I personally believe that there was financial motivation to recognize China in this year. You will know that Britain was a bankrupt nation at the end of 1945 and is still paying today in the 21st century.

Those are my thoughts.

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Post time 2008-11-15 21:31:24 |Display all floors
Originally posted by expatter at 2008-11-15 15:13
U.K Recognizes Tibet as Chinese

Hmm, well Australia "recognised" Indonesia's annexation of East Timor against the wishes of every man woman and child in Australia (it was Paul Keating, Suharto's lickspittle who really did it) but when the excrement hit the ventilation equipment Australia was in there helping protect the East Timorese from Indonesian militia (with the help of a stern warning to Jakarta from Clinton).

I would imagine that official political "recognition" is a little bit of pragmatism and a little bit of duplicity.
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Post time 2008-11-15 21:37:12 |Display all floors
Originally posted by emucentral at 2008-11-15 21:31
Australia was in there helping protect the East Timorese from Indonesian militia ...


How much oil they must surrender to you for that?

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