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[quote]Originally posted by satsu_jin at 2008-7-16 14:18
Thanks for having posted this very balanced article. It clearly shows that there are people in Europe who

President Bush just said that in Korea
he understand the Chinese way of development,
it's traditions & culture & he respect that.

He appreciates this opportunity to talk on the Olympics
What's on your mind now........ooooooooooooooo la la....Kind Regards

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Most Excellent Article!

China and the progression of rights

this article was written by Geoffrey Howe, a former British foreign secretary.  
Wednesday, July 16, 2008

This is a most excellent article that should be widely distributed.  Human rights progress must put priority on food and shelter and security.  Other things can come later.

Singapore support you, China!  

Up to today, we cannot easily assemble and protest.  And our newspapers all come under one holding company linked to the government.  And we are one-party government, and have been one-party, virtually and for all practical purpose, since the 1970s.  (our parliament today has only two miserable opposition members) We are on the whole very happy with what we have.  We are not prepared to try another ruling party.

So, take heart.  Liberalise, but do it gradually.  A little experiment, here and there, and if it works, move on!

Congratulation to the many Olympic gold medals.   And thank you for giving us your table tennis player.  Singapore will at least get a silver because of her!  

And your opening ceremony was fantastically great!

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Singapore liberalizing

Our Prime Minister just mentioned on Sunday that there will be a protest corner for Singaporeans to protest, and political film making and internet talk will be loosened up.  No hurry, liberalise slowly, one step at a time.  Political stability is sacrosanct.  As the GDP goes up further, China can loosen up more.  Liberal democracy is chaotic and destabilizing, and only suitable for more advanced economies.  

There is not a country that prosper under liberal democracy. All those so-called democracies became rich first,  or had already been technologically advanced, or the population on the whole were highly educated, then they liberalize.

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Post time 2008-8-20 20:36:08 |Display all floors
Matthew, i totally disagree your idea that
"There is not a country that prosper under liberal democracy. All those so-called democracies became rich first,  or had already been technologically advanced, or the population on the whole were highly educated, then they liberalize."

This is only an argument for totalitarian system to keep power and make democracy a dream for dumbs and naive.
Democracy is all but a luxury.
In France, democracy came in 1789 thanks to POOR Peoples. Because they had no right with the rich nobles.
Democracy is the right to have the same right with your neighbour, even if he's a noble, a rich or from different ethnic group.

For those who think democracy will came when they will be rich: remember this, because it'svery clear: you will never get democracy because democracy cannot be brung by money. Countries like Brunei, Arabia, are in fact totalitarian regime, even if they get rich. Of course, US democracy all but perfect, but at least, everybody there have the right to protest and make things change.

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Post time 2008-8-21 07:26:31 |Display all floors
Originally posted by yasawakic at 2008-8-20 20:36
n France, democracy came in 1789 thanks to POOR Peoples.

Please check wiki " French revolution."

But adherents of most historical models identify many of the same features of the Ancien Régime as being among the causes of the Revolution. Economic factors included:

Louis XV fought many wars, bringing France to the verge of bankruptcy, and Louis XVI supported the colonists during the American Revolution, exacerbating the precarious financial condition of the government. The national debt amounted to almost 2 billion livres. The social burdens caused by war included the huge war debt, made worse by the monarchy's military failures and ineptitude, and the lack of social services for war veterans.
An inefficient and antiquated financial system unable to manage the national debt, both caused and exacerbated by the burden of a grossly inequitable system of taxation.
The continued conspicuous consumption of the noble class, especially the court of Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette at Versailles, despite the financial burden on the populace.
High unemployment and high bread prices, causing more money to be spent on food and less in other areas of the economy.
The Roman Catholic Church, the largest landowner in the country, which levied a tax on crops known as the dime or tithe. While the dîme lessened the severity of the monarchy's tax increases, it worsened the plight of the poorest who faced a daily struggle with malnutrition.
Widespread famine and malnutrition, which increased the likelihood of disease and death, and intentional starvation in the most destitute segments of the population in the months immediately before the Revolution. The famine extended even to other parts of Europe, and was not helped by a poor transportation infrastructure for bulk foods. (Some researchers have also attributed the widespread famine to an El Niño effect,[2] or colder climate of the little ice age combined with France's failure to adopt the potato as a staple crop[3])  
The Ideals: Declaration of Human Rights (1789).No internal trade and too many customs barriers[citation needed]
There were also social and political factors, many of which involved resentments and aspirations given focus by the rise of Enlightenment ideals:

Resentment of royal absolutism.
Resentment by the ambitious professional and mercantile classes towards noble privileges and dominance in public life, many of whom were familiar with the lives of their peers in commercial cities in The Netherlands and Great Britain.
Resentment by peasants, wage-earners, and the bourgeoisie toward the traditional seigneurial privileges possessed by nobles.
Resentment of clerical privilege (anti-clericalism) and aspirations for freedom of religion, and resentment of aristocratic bishops by the poorer rural clergy.
Continued hatred for Catholic control and influence on institutions of all kinds, by the large Protestant minorities.
Aspirations for liberty and (especially as the Revolution progressed) republicanism.
Anger toward the King for firing Jacques Necker and A.R.J. Turgot (among other financial advisors), who were popularly seen as representatives of the people.[4]
Finally, perhaps above all, was the almost total failure of Louis XVI and his advisors to deal effectively with any of these problems


With all this factors, it would be ridiculous that people would let "noble" contorl the government.

BTW, the prosperity in 19centuries was built on the cheap labor from colony and exploited the treasure from other countries like Vietnam and China. It can be hardly classified as "prosperity with freedom"

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