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Post time 2008-4-13 21:47:14 |Display all floors
This is one man's viewpoint, not necessarily a bad one but one from the eyes of a Westerner with a western upbringing; education; and mindset. Matthew Forney does not know how Chinese feel about the re-emergence of China as a world power, equal amongst equals, after a century of killings, humiliation, degradation and ostracizing by the world, Japan included.

Matthew challenged the appropriateness of the loyalty of China's youth for their government and suggested that they could be a bit more critical about the way China handled many political issues and the oftentimes heavy-handed approach. Matthew cited the Tian-An-Men as a case in point. But Matthew conceded that young, urban Chinese are the main beneficiaries of the government.

The Chinese government has to walk a fine line: economical growth can lead to social stability and a happy population, but only if the poor rural population does not get left too far behind. A slow liberalisation process will let the population acclimatise and adjust to the privileges, rights and responsibilities of a liberal society. It is not something that can be done overnight, it is a generational effort.

I agree that the Chinese youth are some of the main beneficiaries, and why not? They are China's future. Things are finally heading in the right direction, so why rock the boat?

The Chinese province of Tibet has benefited from the same government policies. I cited one example: the systematic eradication of IDS which gave the average Tibetans a fighting chance to integrate into a steadily modernising society.

Yet the West concentrated solely and only on the demands of a handful of monks to achieve "cultural autonomy" in order to revert back to a feudal society with the Lamas as the upper class and the rest of the Tibetan population as serfs, a streak of social atavism which benefits only the Lamas. What about Joe Blogg, the average Tibetan, who would otherwise be a serf to the Lamas? Joe Blogg who would rather run his own business and send his kids to s secular school than a monastery.

No, Matthew, it is not a case of "right or wrong my country".  I am not supporting a feudal theocracy of Lamas as the upper class and the average Tibetans as serfs. I am supporting what I see as the best course of remedial action and the Chinese government offers that opportunity. Another forumite, MarkWu, put up some good suggestions on what we can do to take this further and help the Tibetan monks integrate into a modern China, but they will have to make an effort too.

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Op-Ed Contributor
China’s Loyal Youth
By MATTHEW FORNEY
Published: April 13, 2008

MANY sympathetic Westerners view Chinese society along the lines of what they saw in the waning days of the Soviet Union: a repressive government backed by old hard-liners losing its grip to a new generation of well-educated, liberal-leaning sophisticates. As pleasant as this outlook may be, it’s naïve. Educated young Chinese, far from being embarrassed or upset by their government’s human-rights record, rank among the most patriotic, establishment-supporting people you’ll meet.

As is clear to anyone who lives here, most young ethnic Chinese strongly support their government’s suppression of the recent Tibetan uprising. One Chinese friend who has a degree from a European university described the conflict to me as “a clash between the commercial world and an old aboriginal society.” She even praised her government for treating Tibetans better than New World settlers treated Native Americans.

It’s a rare person in China who considers the desires of the Tibetans themselves. “Young Chinese have no sympathy for Tibet,” a Beijing human-rights lawyer named Teng Biao told me. Mr. Teng — a Han Chinese who has offered to defend Tibetan monks caught up in police dragnets — feels very alone these days. Most people in their 20s, he says, “believe the Dalai Lama is trying to split China.”

Educated young people are usually the best positioned in society to bridge cultures, so it’s important to examine the thinking of those in China. The most striking thing is that, almost without exception, they feel rightfully proud of their country’s accomplishments in the three decades since economic reforms began. And their pride and patriotism often find expression in an unquestioning support of their government, especially regarding Tibet.

The most obvious explanation for this is the education system, which can accurately be described as indoctrination. Textbooks dwell on China’s humiliations at the hands of foreign powers in the 19th century as if they took place yesterday, yet skim over the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and ’70s as if it were ancient history. Students learn the neat calculation that Chairman Mao’s tyranny was “30 percent wrong,” then the subject is declared closed. The uprising in Tibet in the late 1950s, and the invasion that quashed it, are discussed just long enough to lay blame on the “Dalai clique,” a pejorative reference to the circle of advisers around Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.

Then there’s life experience — or the lack of it — that might otherwise help young Chinese to gain a perspective outside the government’s viewpoint. Young urban Chinese study hard and that’s pretty much it. Volunteer work, sports, church groups, debate teams, musical skills and other extracurricular activities don’t factor into college admission, so few participate. And the government’s control of society means there aren’t many non-state-run groups to join anyway. Even the most basic American introduction to real life — the summer job — rarely exists for urban students in China.

Recent Chinese college graduates are an optimistic group. And why not? The economy has grown at a double-digit rate for as long as they can remember. Those who speak English are guaranteed good jobs. Their families own homes. They’ll soon own one themselves, and probably a car too. A cellphone, an iPod, holidays — no problem. Small wonder the Pew Research Center in Washington described the Chinese in 2005 as “world leaders in optimism.”

As for political repression, few young Chinese experience it. Most are too young to remember the Tiananmen massacre of 1989 and probably nobody has told them stories. China doesn’t feel like a police state, and the people young Chinese read about who do suffer injustices tend to be poor — those who lost homes to government-linked property developers without fair compensation or whose crops failed when state-supported factories polluted their fields.

Educated young Chinese are therefore the biggest beneficiaries of policies that have brought China more peace and prosperity than at any time in the past thousand years. They can’t imagine why Tibetans would turn up their noses at rising incomes and the promise of a more prosperous future. The loss of a homeland just doesn’t compute as a valid concern.

Of course, the nationalism of young Chinese may soften over time. As college graduates enter the work force and experience their country’s corruption and inefficiency, they often grow more critical. It is received wisdom in China that people in their 40s are the most willing to challenge their government, and the Tibet crisis bears out that observation. Of the 29 ethnic-Chinese intellectuals who last month signed a widely publicized petition urging the government to show restraint in the crackdown, not one was under 30.

Barring major changes in China’s education system or economy, Westerners are not going to find allies among the vast majority of Chinese on key issues like Tibet, Darfur and the environment for some time. If the debate over Tibet turns this summer’s contests in Beijing into the Human Rights Games, as seems inevitable, Western ticket-holders expecting to find Chinese angry at their government will instead find Chinese angry at them.

Matthew Forney, a former Beijing bureau chief for Time, is writing a book about raising his family in China.

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Post time 2008-4-13 22:47:56 |Display all floors
a former Beijing Bureau chief for Time?    Tooooo ideological of the writing   

Seems to me he/she do not do much homework in researching China's 5000-year history and failed to be educated by the Chinese culture.

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Post time 2008-4-14 01:07:56 |Display all floors
Originally posted by chinadaily at 13-4-2008 14:47
Seems to me he/she do not do much homework in researching China's 5000-year history


What does China's "5,000 year history" have to do with the article? Why do people like you keep parrotting that line as if it means anything? It goes back less than a century.

Maybe you could tell us if:

1. Chinese school textbooks do not prattle on about foreign "shame" too much.
2. College admission does give credit for extra-curricular activities.
3. Young people are regularly told stories about the events of the 1980s.
4. There are lots of non-State controlled/run/authorised organisations to join.

It would be nice for people to actually discuss articles like these in a mature and thoughtful manner for once. But I guess that's asking too much of this forum.
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Post time 2008-4-14 06:10:35 |Display all floors
I posted NEW YORK TIMES'S COMMENTARY "CHINA'S YOUTH'S LOYALTY" HERE LAST NIGHT BEFORE i WENT TO BED, i ESPECIALLY DID ALL THE RESEARCHES, AND TRIED BACK HERE TO LOG ON A FEW TIMES TO POST, HOWEVER IT HAS NEVER BEEN POSTED, INSTEAD OF, IT'S BEEN POST BY SOMEONE ELSE AS AN INDEPENDENT THREAD IN SOME PLACE ELSE, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY A CD'S COMMENT !  WHY?  WHY CD DID THIS?

IS IT COINCIDENCE?  i AM JUST WONDERING!  

I posted this news/commentary 7 hours+ earlier, around 1a-2am of 4-13, however till almost 1 & 1/2 days has passed, it's never showed in my thread of "china in & out of " thread, but was showed here. I don't mean trying to against my compatriots, but inquire our CDs.  I am not sure if the mods are dif. persons at "china today" and at  "china and the world" sections.

I would like CD seriously consider this.  Or you will lose your loyal posters gradually or rapidly.

some very good ones are gone not awhile ago, after they warned again and again of this forum's mods.   Thanks.

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Post time 2008-4-14 09:47:56 |Display all floors
So, the thesis is that young Chinese are among the most self-absorbed people on Earth. Good to know that a giant generation of people basically thinks that no one else matters, ever.
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Post time 2008-4-14 10:04:33 |Display all floors
Originally posted by interesting at 2008-4-13 20:47
So, the thesis is that young Chinese are among the most self-absorbed people on Earth. Good to know that a giant generation of people basically thinks that no one else matters, ever.


boring-interesting, I consider you either a spy/agent, or your half brain has some problem. You need to see a doctor, esp. a specialist for some missing cells in your might be left brain.

wish you recover soon from your genetic cell missing.  Seriously.

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Post time 2008-4-14 10:13:49 |Display all floors
Seems to me some of the Western forumites writing in this fourm could never get to know what a country China is.  Because they are so lazy,  and won't spend a year or two to study China's history and culture.

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