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Post time 2007-12-16 12:23:05 |Display all floors

#40

Originally posted by shijianhsj at 2007-12-13 11:11


yes,wo think so.so many people see this movie only because of it's "lust"



Agree with you and that's the whole idea about "adult movie".




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Post time 2007-12-16 12:27:14 |Display all floors

#39

Originally posted by kevin_li at 2007-12-12 14:48

the duty is more hard to her, and over a normal woman ability.



My point is .... she must not be seen as a normal woman and this is where your FUNDAMENTAL mistake is.


A normal woman will not risk the lives of a dozen people but she did!



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Post time 2007-12-16 14:31:42 |Display all floors

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Originally posted by lacaterina at 2007-12-5 17:02
I personally think it is a great movie.

It is thought-provoking. The characters are vividly-portrayed. I do not think that Wong Kai Chi betrayed her organization for the big diamond.

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These are my thoughts about the movie.  I watched only the movie and once.


[It is thought-provoking. The characters are vividly-portrayed. I do not think that Wong Kai Chi betrayed her organization for the big diamond. ]

I felt like I was “flitting” from one place to another in the movie.  I hardly remember most of the characters other than the 2 main protagonists, Wang Jiazhi and Mr Yee (and the sex which was "gripping and intense" ).  Even both their characters in the movie were not properly developed to make the audience understand them, the depth of their relationship, if any, and the impulse prompting Wang to betray her patriotism and her team-mates to tragic consequences.  

Honestly, are you satisfied with the way the characters are “developed” in the movie?  

I am not.  But I understand it isn't the aim of Director Lee.



[If one pay enough attention to the details, it is very clear that it is only natural for her to make such choice. Wong's only family,  her father,run far far away to England to form his new family. Wong did not recieve too much care from him.]

But remember, when Wang Jiazhi joined the resistance group, it was before she knew that her father would abandon her.  Then, she was still hopeful (“waiting for news”) that her father would send for her after he settled down in England.  Also, during a school play, she cried out, and was made popular for, the words “中国不能完”.  Does this sound like coming from someone who was recently abandoned?  Or did she have something else on her mind?

Wang was abandoned by her father 3 years later.



[When she decided to join the assasination, it is only because her little crush for the Kuang Yu Min, who was a idealistic patriot, lovely but  also childish and immature.]

I am not sure if I can agree on this.  Perhaps, there was some affection between the two but I hardly think Wang Jiazhi’s affection was a “crush” or love.  If a woman had a crush on someone, would she be willing to (or easily) lose her virginity to someone else even if it was a sacrifice she has to make?  We know women are emotional.  In the least, she would have hinted if not declared her “love” to Kuang before she made the “sacrifice”.  She had the opportunity to if she had felt "love" for Kuang.  [Btw, I am thinking about women in those earlier days!]

So, in my opinion, there are more pressing reasons for Wang to join the resistance group than her love for Kuang, and what was that?

It’s a pity that the movie "showed" so little or nothing about Kuang’s “patriotism” other than his lip-service "declaration" which was also childish.  There are, perhaps, reasons for Director Lee to show Kuang (and Wang's other team-mates) as idealistic, loafers and childish.



[The patriotic students even decided beforehand (without asking Wong's opinions) to let Wong sleep with one of them, the only one that had sexual experience with prostitude.

I agree that Wang’s opinion was not sought as to who should “sleep” with her.  On the contrary, I consider Wang’s acceptance of her teammates’ decision as her “professionalism” and dedication to the cause that she was in.  

On the other hand, I am not too critical about the patriotic students making the decision for Wang.  Had the “sex” involved real emotions between Wang and, say, Kuang, their mission would surely fail and the results disastrous.  It is exactly the reason why most of you sympathised with Wang’s betrayal in the movie.  You have applied your "emotions" rather than "commonsense".  Lee Ang knew about this and “capitalised” on it.



[Anyone who has knowledge in the traditional culture would understand what sacrifice , disgrace, and disrespect  this is. Nobody was treating Wong as a person. That was why Wong ran away after she found out that all her efforts had been in vain. ]

"sacrifice”, "disgrace” and “disrespectful”?? I understand all these very well but what period of the time are you looking at when you say all these?

I disagree that Wang was treated as a “nobody” by her team-mates.  In fact, when Wang disclosed the sacrifice she must make if Mr Yee made her his mistress, her girlfriend (and good friend) quietly spoke to her and asked if Wang was ready.  If I am not mistaken, her girlfriend even suggested that Wang could back out from it if she wanted.  The guys, though portrayed as useless and childish in the movie, turned sombre and serious.  They were sombre when they conferred among themselves at the verandah on the next task and how to prepare Wang for the task.  

As for Wang running away, I think she was already disappointed when Mrs Yee suddenly phoned to inform her that she and her husband were leaving Hong Kong for Shanghai when Wong thought she was about to achieve her objective.  When her team-mates, a few of them, couldn’t even kill the man who tried to expose them, her disappointment with her efforts and her team-mates turned into disillusion, and that’s why she ran away.



[3 years later, Wong  was still alone, no family and no friends (her aunt even sold the only property her father left for her). SHe decided to take up the unfinished task because, from what i have understood, to make her previous sacrifice a little bit meaningful and the promise of a ship ticket to England from the organization. ]

No disagreement.


[Nobody was treating Wong like a person. She was only a tool used by the immature patriotic students and the political organization. She had no family. She did not have real friends. She was lonely.]

I cannot say when a plan or a good cause went awry and the “leaders” started to exploit it for their selfish reasons.  If this is how Lee Ang “justified” the Chinese weakling (懦弱), he has tapped on yours.

I disagree that the patriotic students made use of Wang or treated her as a “tool”.  It’s contradicting how they were “immature” and could take advantage of Wang.



[Only Mr Yee offered her care and love, no matter it was real or only pretended. It was the love and care from Yee that changed her mind. Not the diamond. That is why I said it was natural. ]

Mr Yee engaged her in unnatural sex.  The big diamond was the price he paid her.  Is that “love”?  How did he "persuade" her in the first place?  Did he coax her?  Or did he, too, take her for granted when he roughened her up?  

Why didn’t you see his exploitation and abuse on her?  After their first sex and he torn her clothes, he told her to put on her coat before leaving.  He then dumped her and left the apartment alone.  How then did she fall for this "monster"?

I feel the movie failed in this, among the many.

How also did you perceive Mr Yee's "care" and "love" for Wang when he forbade her to enter his study and made her wait in the car outside his office in the cold for hours.



[Maybe she betrayed her country, or maybe blah blah blah, but that was just what she was, a human being, a lonely soul that just found love.]

Think of why Wang joined the resistance group in the first place.  If she really did succumb because of loneliness, then she is indeed a disgrace.  Her sister in real life objected to the movie and said it distorted the truths.  Did it?

Some say Lee Ang’s movie “belittles” the Chinese women.  

Perhaps, Wang Jiazhi is not a great patriot and an underserving heroine.



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Post time 2007-12-16 17:18:30 |Display all floors
Originally posted by whampoa at 2007-12-4 01:35
Btw, I watched the movie too.  But why do you guys see the movie as if it was a “patriotic” movie?

Was it?

Did we see the same movie?

I do not know but I thought it was a [ ...


Yes, I do agree with you, a covering a patriotic camouflage, or maybe a love story.

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Post time 2007-12-18 01:32:59 |Display all floors

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Originally posted by whampoa at 2007-12-16 14:31


These are my thoughts about the movie.  I watched only the movie and once.


[It is thought-provoking. The characters are vividly-portrayed. I do not think that Wong Ka ...





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Post time 2007-12-19 05:36:27 |Display all floors

#46

Originally posted by jasmine1_2 at 2007-12-16 17:18


Yes, I do agree with you, a covering a patriotic camouflage, or maybe a love story.



Thank you.

It became very obvious to me what the movie is about after watching it.  

Lust, Sex and no more a Pornography.

Like mjackson321 said in his thread, it is “only Lust, No Caution in China”. (re: my post #13, page 1)

There is NO love story.

There is NO patriotic meaning or theme.

Quite the contrary, I think, and that is why I am critical of the movie.  Not because I am biased and insist that a Chinese director must direct a patriotic movie, but because it falls short.  

The movie falls short in accuracy of facts and events.  


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Post time 2007-12-19 05:44:18 |Display all floors

#47

Originally posted by leongkhoo at 2007-12-18 01:32


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Interesting blog you have but you have misunderstood me.

I have not at any point yet commented nor criticised the acting of the actress or the directorial skill of Lee Ang.

"Intense and gripping” is a compliment, and not a criticism.


The acting and the directorial skills may as well be rated good or how would it have moved so many people to sympathise with Wang and praise the director?

If this is not just a movie and she not a pretty face, or he is Lee Ang, would you not change your mind?


When a mother throws her baby from a high-rise building, she too has her pitiful story and deserving of our understanding.  Agreed?



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