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Post time 2009-6-29 16:19:19 |Display all floors

I don't get it

Originally posted by colineliu at 2009-6-28 22:13
Why Chinese will replace English in the future?
Chapter 1    3500Hanzi is Everything
There are lots and lots words for English language. This is a fatal disadvantage for English, however, a disti ...



The reason there are so many words in English is because of the explosion of tech advances

Many "old" words are recycled and have various meanings dependent on nuance, much as many other languages.

Words disappear too. Survival is about utility.

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Post time 2009-6-29 16:19:53 |Display all floors
Originally posted by helong at 2007-9-8 05:39


China will overtake the United States,   then after,   the Chinese multinational companies will overtake the United States multinational companies.
When the Chinese multinationals being run an ...


Japanese companies have already overtaken many US companies but that has not led to Japanese being a significant world language.
Here is the problem with your analysis.  English's dominance has little to do with the USA's economic dominance.  It has to do with the western worlds dominance.  

English really caught on when the southern and northern Europeans adopted it as a middle ground between their two language groups.  English is comparitively easy for German, Swedish, Norse, Flemish speakers to learn compared to Romance languages as well as comparetively easier for French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, and Portuguese speakers to learn compared to Germanic languages.  Europe will be learning English as their second language for the foreseeable future and they will continue to speak it quiet well.

English will continue to be important in the Americas.  The US + the US jr will continue speaking English until the latinos breed them out.  Even when that day comes you will be left with the hispanisphere which will find learning English rather easy because of a similar alphabet and so many common words.  A good half of English comes from French and of that about 25% is the same as spanish.  Whats more American English is becoming more and more populated with Spanish words and south american Spanish is increasing populated with English loan words making the links between the two even greater.

America's main role in spreading English is not through economic means but by entertainment.  America's entertainment is so popular because the US lead the feminist revolution and as a multicultural society produce movies that everyone can identify with.  Korean TV is currently popular in east asia because it is of good quality and is acceptable to east asian people.  It doesnt go much beyond that because most people cannot identify with the characters.  Yet you are either living in north korea or kidding yourself if you can not some how identify with the US.  Every town in the world has some friend or family member that has moved to the US and currently resides there.  The US's leader dad was from Kenya.  There are senators from Japan and state governors from Austria along with legions of immigrant laborers, shop owners, and professionals.  This makes the culture appeal to everyone and popularize it to a great degree.  

India and Pakistan will never adopt Chinese, they play cricket and participate in English sporting and activities.  Their one cultural link Buddhism died in India long ago.  They have too many English native speakers and too many loan words compared with just a few Teabang refugees that speak some mandarin and practically no loan words.  The Dravidians in the south will keep up pressure to prevent Hindi from becoming the sole national language and English will continue to be used for commerce in the country.

Anyway in the next 100 years in millions
Europe 500-1000 English
North America 500-1000 English with Spanish influence or Spanish with English influence.
South America 500-1000 Spanish with a lot of English influence
South Asia 1500-2500 Hindi with a lot of English influence and seizable English speaking minority.
Africa 500-1500 English, French, Arabic, who knows probably not Chinese in the next 100 years.  Schools just simply aren't good enough there.
South East Asia 750-1500 going to be a toss up between Chinese, Western and Indian influence.  In Vietnam and Thailand there is no question but Indonesia and Malaysia its hard to tell.  The Philippines is a joke, they already speak English.
East Asia 1500-2000 Definite Chinese

The middle east, central Asia and Russia.  I don't really know, depends on too many things.  Central Asia I would be on going to English because of the Turkey connection and the Latin script despite being close to china but you never know.  Russia as well because of its population centers being in Europe.  The middle east isn't going either way unless China gets more Muslims or the West stops trying to fight a holy war.

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Post time 2009-6-29 16:21:09 |Display all floors
Most of Asia shares a common language root with Europe. Even China's neighbors speak a language closer to European languages than Chinese.

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Post time 2009-6-29 16:34:43 |Display all floors
in China, try ordering your KFC in English!!!

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Post time 2009-6-29 16:37:44 |Display all floors
Originally posted by satsu_jin at 2009-6-29 16:14
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Just because all European languages derive from the same source does not mean that the cultures derive from the same source.  To not understand the differences it to be ignorant of a rat ...


Look at how many of those languages in Asia are under threat or may disappear in the next 100 years.  Pick a language in the middle of each list and estimate how long it will survive.  My bet is that Norwegian, Finish, and Hungarian (around 20th or just above half in Europe) will outlive Waray-Waray, Tulu and Dong (around 100 on the Asia list)  Europe already lost scores of languages in the industrial revolution.  Now you can call almost all German dialects German where as Bavarian use to be a distinct language. In future, because of the advancing development of Asia languages will be lost.  

Sure language is the most important part of culture, but a language's script is hardly the most important part of language.  Finish and Spanish have about as much in common as Romanian and Indonesian.  They all use the Latin Alphabet but the languages are very different as are the cultures.

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Post time 2009-6-29 17:05:31 |Display all floors
Originally posted by uokiokokla at 2009-6-29 16:34
in China, try ordering your KFC in English!!!


In Sichuan try ordering in putonghua. It is funny.
1: Da de shutiao,
2: (looking at co-worker) Ta suosazei
1: (in my head: damn) sutiao (w/tone change)
2: a
1: dade
2:eh  
1:dadei...

and that is just the fries...same same choo choo train (then add a white face speaking "Chinese" haha).

HK was the worst for this. No one can speak decent putonghua or English. When I spoke they always said they couldn't speak English, yet I was speaking in "Chinese" to them. The younger people and a few immigrants boosted my spirits (found some guys who could speak mando at the subway station). If any of you Mainlanders go to HK soon be sure to ask for a bottle of erguotou, funniest look you'll ever see.

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Post time 2009-6-29 17:08:31 |Display all floors
Originally posted by moshenggou at 2009-6-29 17:05


In Sichuan try ordering in putonghua. It is funny.
1: Da de shutiao,
2: (looking at co-worker) Ta suosazei
1: (in my head: damn) sutiao (w/tone change)
2: a
1: dade
2:eh  
1:dadei.. ...



at least you got your shu tiao right la

now how about Chick???

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