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Korean hostages rest in the hands of Hamid Karzai and Bush??? [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2007-8-22 09:02:17 |Display all floors

That land of ignorance.

I am tired of fighting the avalanche of misinformation as well as disinformation from your side . Eg : " Iraq has been defeated " ?!  Duh . Who but the neo-con chicken hawks would believe this nonsense ?  The cone of silence and opaqueness you lot have built yourselves is remarkable . Buddy , Iraq is NOT defeated , otherwise , even Dubya would brag about the " Mission Accomplished " and call his troops home pronto . Why are the GIs still there if you are right then ?  Hold the Iraqis' hands ?

The modern warfare , as seen in Afghanistan and Iraq , are more of a guerilla type . Enemy combatants do not wear uniforms and do not live in tents or barracks . The Iraqi civilian deaths , conservatively , has been  put at 600,000 (  Lancet  two years ago ). This is not " collateral " damage , this is a systematic genocide man.

Back to hostage taking . You are p!ssing into a gale wind force aren't you ? Your own government and everybody else , who had real , flesh and blood hostages to rescue , have negotiated and paid ransoms , so why are you still bleating for the mythical PC of " no negotiation " ?   I am out of here , you talk to the mirror or the wall yourself . Ciao .

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Post time 2007-8-22 21:24:27 |Display all floors

Reply #29 --- mengzhi's post...

Still waiting for you to explaing why you believe your approach will solve, or reduce, the problem of hostage taking.  Or do you admit your approach will do neither, and is only aimed at placating the terrorists?  [Similar to former British Prime Minister Chamberlain's famed 'Peace in our Times' action with Hitler]

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Post time 2007-8-23 06:17:51 |Display all floors

The double standard spill .

I am not sure how many times I need to recall that ALL nations with hostages taken ( including that Rambo USA ) have paid ransoms and bribes to secure their release . Many a time it worked ! The only time it is guaranteed NOT to work is when a stubborn and recalcitrant superman insists that he is tough and does not care if his fellow country men have their heads lobbed off !

What makes you think I am here to " placate " the terrorists ?  Thousands of " enemy combatants " were captured ( kidnapped ) by the " good guys " and secreted away in prisons indefinitely to rot .  Most of them have never had their days in court (  5  years now ). Tens have been released (especially British  ) with never a charge laid and never a conviction recorded . If  these are not terrorist acts , what is ?  Stop complaining about the other side when obviously your side does the same , perhaps in a greater scale, because you can.

This is the double standard which has turned world opinions away from the Americans. It is hard to follow a sermon on some motherhood lesson when the preacher man is doing exactly what he tells others not to do.:):)

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Post time 2007-8-23 20:51:31 |Display all floors

Reply #31 --- mengzhi's post...

You wrote:

"I am not sure how many times I need to recall that ALL nations with hostages taken ( including that Rambo USA ) have paid ransoms and bribes to secure their release . Many a time it worked ! The only time it is guaranteed NOT to work is when a stubborn and recalcitrant superman insists that he is tough and does not care if his fellow country men have their heads lobbed off ! "

===>  Perhaps we both have a different definition of 'works'.  Yours appears to be:  Safe return of the hostages.  Correct?

Mine is:  Elimination or significant reduction in the occurrence of hostage taking.  Your approach will definitely not achieve my goal.  And mine will most than likely result in some hostages being killed.  But that is already occurring when terrorists must show they are 'serious'.

Recent news item.  Sunni hostages (only women and children) taken by Al Qaeda.  Innocent civilians, and not even foreigners, taken.  And if ransom is paid, all Sunnig women and children are now pawns and potential victims.  Might as well paint bulls-eyes on the back of every one of them.

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Post time 2007-8-24 14:31:32 |Display all floors

Our lives are precious .

The one aspect of this nasty business of kidnapping , hostages and ransom which we have not touched upon is this . Afghani  lives mean zilch : only outsiders' do .

In this instance with  the Korean hostages, the Taliban want an exchange of them for the Taliban prisoners the government has captured ( ? kidnapped ). Why not do the exchange , stop further Koreans from wandering around those dangerous deserts and be done with it ? Of course it is more painful for the whole of US even if ONE American is hurt or killed , tens of Afghanis or Iraqis do not get a mention because they " looked like terrorists " or " they would have sheltered some terrorists ".

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Post time 2007-8-24 22:05:34 |Display all floors

Reply #33 --- mengzhi's post...

1.  Who has decided that Afghani lives are worthless?  Afghani lives are being lost because the conflict is taking place on their soil.  And they (Afghanis, Taliban) are killing each other, with the US supporting one side.

You wrote:

"Why not do the exchange , stop further Koreans from wandering around those dangerous deserts and be done with it ?"

==>  I have wrote many times that I believe exchanging civilian hostages for military prisoners will only encourage and result in more of the same kidnapping.   An attempt should be made to stop it, not reward the action.  In a free nation, only the individual can make the decision to 'not go' to dangerous areas.  Some nations can restrict  the travel of its citizens.  The United States does not have the authority/responsibility to control where South Korean citizens choose to travel.

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Post time 2007-8-25 12:03:39 |Display all floors
nosferatu,

You can be coy and naive if you want to be can't you ?

#1. Afghanis and Iraqis are being massacred simply because the US went into their countries and messed them up . The invading forces have a duty and responsibility ( Geneva Convention ) to ensure security and safety of the people under their charge . It is Dubya's watch and all lives lost are in his accounts. Stop blaming the locals for your failures and faults. It is a criminal negligent case .

#2. The South Korean government can impose a " no visit " ban to Afghanistan for the duration of the war . This is well within the democratic rights of a government . The US has forbidden her citizens from visiting all sorts of countries the government disliked , and on much more flimsy grounds . Eg Cuba.

Stop waving that naivety flag when it suits and discard it when it suits as well.

Bottom line : Get the hell out of other peoples' countries unless welcomed .

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