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Post time 2008-3-19 21:22:34 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2008-3-19 11:56
One day even YOU will recognise that "democracy" comes to human beings as naturally as a baby's desire to suckle at its mother's breasts.

There are multiple choices in democracy so ...


YOU will recognise that "LIVELIHOOD" comes to human beings as naturally as a baby's desire to suckle at its mother's breasts.

That's why you're here.

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Post time 2008-3-19 23:03:28 |Display all floors
Originally posted by meiguodiyi at 2008-3-19 05:31


So, your limited understanding of democracy comes down to choosing idiot A or idiot B. That's pathetic. I'm sorry, but you don't know what democracy is. Do some more research into the subject b ...


Do you know what democracy means, Goofy?

Enlighten us please, as we want to have a good laugh.
You will reap what you sow!

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Post time 2008-3-19 23:34:07 |Display all floors
Originally posted by zglobal at 2008-3-18 21:46
oioioi.

What makes you think that China is less democratic than the west.

The actual system for members being voted for within the C CP seems more democratic and involves are broader cross se ...


In the west you have better access to information and a (SLIGHTLY) more free press. Overall, the average Joe has (SLIGHTLY) more of a say than the average Wang when it comes to electing representatives both on a local and national level. To be able to work your way up within the party is not the same as being able to vote for a representative. Not everybody wants to be a politician but everybody wants some sort of influence, even if it is a miniscule amount of influence...

Many things in western democracies could be done in different and better ways. Everybody knows that. Also, we all know that there are also SOME clear advantages with non-democratic systems. However, China will still have to adopt some sort of democracy fairly soon for the simple reason that the Chinese people will demand it. The people always demand it once they've fullfilled their immediate needs, and they tend to get it. Don't forget, NO emperor or king (or chairman) in charge of a nation ever wanted democracy...

China currently has a very nice opportunity to adopt AND IMPROVE the existing systems. For example, they should try to avoid getting a system like the one in the US where democracy has been reduced to chosing between two rich idiots...

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Post time 2008-3-20 04:24:27 |Display all floors

Irresponsibility is Not Freedom

Democracy is only a tool, a way of government.  It is not a goal in itself.  Netherlands an example for the Chinese to follow??  The most recent read was that, not satisfied with its legitimized redlight district, Amsterdam is wrestling with legalizing public sex in Vondel Park, to be coupled with the absolute ban of unleashed animals in the park.  Y'see it is not healthy to have delicate body parts nibbled on by unleashed animals, y'see.

How can the Chinese take you seriously?  Granted the Chinese have a lot of other issues to resolve before China would ever (I hope never) get as "advanced" as the Netherlands on such matters of "freedom."  Right now we are still figuring out how to continue the double digit growth for another 30 years, to listen to the silly harpings of the West.

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Post time 2008-3-20 12:28:45 |Display all floors
Originally posted by meiguodiyi at 2008-3-19 05:31

So, your limited understanding of democracy comes down to choosing idiot A or idiot B. That's pathetic.


I know, it's a lot more like a choice between cyanide and arsenic. The big reason people talk about democracy is:

1. They want more freedoms.

2. They want to change the behavior of government.

Here in the West the most we ever succeed at is changing economic policy. Usually civil rights has to be forced down the throat of government and it has little to do with elections, more about people realizing that the issue can not be ignored or covered up any longer.

In Europe I find it especially hypocritical as the parliamentary system is based around the idea of party members being mindless zombies. The only difference is they have different legions of zombies favoring lighter or stronger forms of socialism. Most in Europe also use the Inquisitorial system based on Napoleonic Code where the police and courts are partners in "justice" working together to investigate crimes. Significant power is given to prosecutors, police, and judges. There's also a right to appeal an acquittal.

The Lisbon Treaty might end up pushing this system on the few who don't have it already and the "Charter of Fundamental Rights" basically says the EU can disregard the entire document if it isn't in their interests.

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Post time 2008-3-20 13:26:16 |Display all floors
Originally posted by zglobal at 2008-3-19 21:12
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...a one part system can be more democratic than a two party system. ...


Hi Ducky. Can you give an example of such more d-cratic 1 pt-y system?
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Post time 2008-3-20 14:26:37 |Display all floors
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