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Originally posted by bulldog at 2007-5-15 05:55
no, you got it the wrong way round, i have a problem as a backlash to comments like we British are all thieves and scumbags and its in our genes
if a person of white european ancestry said s ...
I have a contrary view about Mengzhi. Yes, he is a toughie, no doubt. He is an honourable person and, as I said earlier, always makes his stance clear. His writing is clear and consistent.
Maybe, your English is poor but I will enlighten you. I won't go far but just the first few posts of his in this thread will do ...
Originally posted by mengzhi at 2007-5-12 09:59
You are correct to bring this event up and to demand an apology. The trouble here is , you are not dealing with reasonable and sensible people , you are dealing with a bunch of descendents of the imperialist / colonialists. These are the offsprings of those who roamed the world to rape, ravage and rampage through the seven seas. They grabbed whatever they wanted and paid for nothing. With China, the allure and greed for Chinese silk, porcelain and tea was so great and the coffer so bare, they thought up this scheme of forcing an addictive substance ( opium ) on the Chinese people in exchange ( robbed ) for those goodies. Even the opium was free, grown and collected by India. The mighty Royal Navy was the enforcer of this, the world's greatest deal in illegal substance. Under the Britannia Rules, those precious cargoes could not be touched by foreigners. Eventually when some bold Chinese decided to rebel, they were massacred and an unequal treaty signed , with a gun to the Chinese head.
It is all history now. Middlekingdo, you need to realise that for this hurt to be righted, you need principled, honest , caring people with conscience. Where do find such people ? Certainly not among those who have penned their distaste to admitting guilt or even trying to atone their past sins. They did benefit from all those criminal enterprise though , they conveniently forgot to tell you.
The murdereres, rapists, thieves, blah blah blah .... he wasn't referring to you but your forefathers who indeed did those stuff ... and I think he also said it very clearly that what you now enjoy were booty robbed and obtained immorally and illegally from others.
Originally posted by mengzhi at 2007-5-12 19:15
I happen to be the person advising middlekingdo NOT to seek an apology from the descendents of the opium war lords ! Remember ? It is all water under the bridge. The best thing for China to do from now on is to be strong and ensure that there is NO repeat of those humiliation and funny buggers. The memory of those unequal treaties and the uneven " fights " will live on etched into the psyche and memory of the Chinese for ages yet. The call is yours to make : to reconciliate or not , is the question . Calm down fellas.
Do you see?
Indeed, Bulldog, being told of the truth now, would you apologise for all those crimes committed by your forefathers?
[ Last edited by whampoa at 2007-5-16 06:34 AM ]