Author: middlekingdo

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Post time 2007-5-15 05:55:55 |Display all floors
Originally posted by whampoa at 2007-5-15 04:33


I don't read every one of Mengzhi's posts but on those I have read, I think he sounds reasonable, VERY patient and full of humour.

At least, he put a stance and made his positi ...


no, you got it the wrong way round, i have a problem as a backlash to comments like we British are all thieves and scumbags and its in our genes

if a person of white european ancestry said such things about another ethnic group (regardless of histroy), they would be regarded as racist nazis!

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Post time 2007-5-15 08:14:42 |Display all floors
Originally posted by tmphgt at 2007-5-12 03:58


According to Google sources the Opium Wars were waged when things turned nasty during the opium "trade". Trade being in quotes because it was deemed illegal.

[url]http://en.wikiped ...


So tmphgt says attentive readers will know that he never justified the Opium Wars?

So then why did he call into doubt the immorality of the Opium Wars by calling that an "opinion"?

Alas, another person who feels the urge to lash out as soon as he feels the ground underneath him/her is falling away.  He is losing creditability... assuming he had some to start off with.
"When I am White, I win because I'm White.  When I'm Black, I win because I am Bogoljubow."

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Post time 2007-5-16 05:44:19 |Display all floors

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Originally posted by middlekingdo at 2007-5-15 08:14


So tmphgt says attentive readers will know that he never justified the Opium Wars?

So then why did he call into doubt the immorality of the Opium Wars by calling that an "opinion"? ...



Yes, for people like him we call them SNAKE (UNTRUSTWORTHY) who flip-flop, twist and turn and will NEVER give you a direct answer.  In any case, if you read all his posts you will see he only disrupts, insults, brow-beats forumites and tries to smear their reputation with lies, personal attacks and insults on where they live and their private lives.



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Post time 2007-5-16 06:08:38 |Display all floors

#57

Originally posted by bulldog at 2007-5-15 05:55


no, you got it the wrong way round, i have a problem as a backlash to comments like we British are all thieves and scumbags and its in our genes

if a person of white european ancestry said s ...


I have a contrary view about Mengzhi.  Yes, he is a toughie, no doubt.  He is an honourable person and, as I said earlier, always makes his stance clear.  His writing is clear and consistent.

Maybe, your English is poor but I will enlighten you.  I won't go far but just the first few posts of his in this thread will do  ...

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Originally posted by mengzhi at 2007-5-12 09:59


Dear middlekingdo,

You are correct to bring this event up and to demand an apology. The trouble here is , you are not dealing with reasonable and sensible people , you are dealing with a bunch of descendents of the imperialist / colonialists. These are the offsprings of those who roamed the world to rape, ravage and rampage through the seven seas. They grabbed whatever they wanted and paid for nothing. With China, the allure and greed for Chinese silk, porcelain and tea was so great and the coffer so bare, they thought up this scheme of forcing an addictive substance ( opium ) on the Chinese people in  exchange ( robbed ) for those goodies. Even the opium was free, grown and collected by India. The mighty Royal Navy was the enforcer of this, the world's greatest deal in illegal substance. Under the Britannia Rules, those precious cargoes could not be touched by foreigners. Eventually when some bold Chinese decided to rebel, they were massacred and an unequal treaty signed , with a gun to the Chinese head.

It is all  history now. Middlekingdo, you need to realise that for this hurt to be righted, you need principled, honest , caring people with conscience. Where do find such people ? Certainly not among those who have penned their distaste to admitting guilt or even trying to atone their past sins. They did benefit from all those criminal enterprise though , they conveniently forgot to tell you.



The murdereres, rapists, thieves, blah blah blah .... he wasn't referring to you but your forefathers who indeed did those stuff ... and I think he also said it very clearly that what you now enjoy were booty robbed and obtained immorally and illegally from others.

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Originally posted by mengzhi at 2007-5-12 19:15
I happen to be the person advising middlekingdo NOT to seek an apology from the descendents of the opium war lords ! Remember ? It is all water under the bridge. The best thing for China to do from now on is to be strong and ensure that there is NO repeat of those humiliation and funny buggers. The memory of those unequal treaties and the uneven " fights " will live on etched into the psyche and memory of the Chinese for ages yet. The call is yours to make :  to reconciliate or not , is the question . Calm down fellas.


Do you see?

Indeed, Bulldog, being told of the truth now, would you apologise for all those crimes committed by your forefathers?


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[ Last edited by whampoa at 2007-5-16 06:34 AM ]
When asked what they least admired about the West, they replied
MORAL DECAY, PROMISCUITY and pornography which...
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Post time 2007-5-16 06:26:45 |Display all floors

#56

Originally posted by mencius at 2007-5-15 05:12


A few points on Matt605, as he has been here a very long time.

1. Matt is American, not British, so he isn't bulldog's "country fellow".
2. I was led to believe Matt was actually  ...

The equivalent would be bulldog mentioning someone who always criticised China and always praised the UK/US/etc as an example of Chinese people that got on with Britons/Americans/whatever.


I am alright with the 2 guys I mentioned.  Maybe I shouldn't use "country" fellow but I was referring more to their western backgrounds where you have a common history, language, culture, education, political and legal systems.  Matt is very clear.  He said he is an American and he lives in Washington DC in case you miss that.  Meiguoracing (also an American) is alright, he writes little but he doesn't write garbage.  When he writes his views, we know it is his views untainted by ignorant prejudices or hidden (political) agenda.

Btw, why do you insult Bulldog?  So you think he deserves to be insulted this way?    I do not know but maybe, maybe .... what an example he's been made.  


And what's wrong with my signature?  TELL ME, which one do you admire that you want to inspire in your children -

MORAL DECAY

PROMISCUITY, or

PORNOGRAPHY?

or maybe, ALL THE ABOVE?

Are THEY not happening and have become so entrenched in your CULTURE?


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When asked what they least admired about the West, they replied
MORAL DECAY, PROMISCUITY and pornography which...
DEGRADED women.

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Post time 2007-5-16 06:41:33 |Display all floors
Originally posted by erasmus at 2007-5-12 07:20



well if you live 150 years you would be at fault however should you have passed away then the guilt will have too. I wouldn't blame your children or grandchildren or great grandchildren for y ...


I agree with your way of thinking, erasmus. I think stepping above blame and anger (and possibly towards more constructive ideas) is a good way to go.

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Post time 2007-5-16 07:01:55 |Display all floors

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