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Post time 2007-3-28 13:24:36 |Display all floors

Two rules to play with.

To both nos & men,

#1. If the Royal Navy mariners were not in Iranian waters, the mother ship would have the electronic and computer evidence and recordings. These would have been presented and the world would have a clear case to make their decisions on. Where are these evidence then ?

#2. Which UNSC resolution is it which permits the British Navy to enter Iranian waters ?

You do have a talent to flip and flop according to circumstance as to which side the advantage is to go to. It is high time that you realise this :  a good rule is one which is still " good " when used in reverse.

I would appreciate if either of you can show the forum which UN resolution you  are referring to ,allowing the British Navy to go in and out of Iranian waters at will . Thanks.

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Post time 2007-3-28 15:25:54 |Display all floors
If it had been a Gulf of Tonkin moment as some here understand it,  you cant say Iran is an unwilling participant at all.

Thursday, DEBKAfile reported exclusively a rendezvous Wednesday between the French nuclear carrier Charles de Gaulle and its task force with the USS John C. Stennis in the Arabian Sea Wednesday for joint missions in the global war on terror.

The next day, Iran launched a new naval war game in the Persian Gulf. Just before the British sailors were seized, UK commanders in Basra accused Iran of being behind 90% of the violence in S. Iraq and paying out $250 to anyone willing to attack British troops.

Amid rising tensions in the strategic Gulf waters, DEBKAfile’s military sources disclose the American-French rendezvous was timed to coincide with the UN Security Council session Wednesday to debate expanded sanctions against Iran for continuing its banned uranium enrichment program.

The Iranians were bowled over by the appearance of the Charles de Gaulle opposite their southern coast, having assumed that Paris took issue with Washington’s tough stand on their nuclear activities and was seeking improved relations with Tehran.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3961

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Post time 2007-3-28 17:09:47 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mengzhi at 2007-3-28 15:24
#1. If the Royal Navy mariners were not in Iranian waters, the mother ship would have the electronic and computer evidence and recordings. These would have been presented and the world would have a clear case to make their decisions on. Where are these evidence then ? ...


SBS News (Australia) reports that Britain has already shown Iranian authorities this GPS evidence.
Maybe the Brits haven't published it because they're hoping to calm things down and get their troops back.
"他不是救星, 他是一个非常淘气男孩" - Monty Python

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Post time 2007-3-28 20:40:37 |Display all floors

No time to be coy.

If SBS has a source of the evidence, that is good. I am sceptical that on the official front , these evidence has not been mentioned widely and the " truth " revealed !  Why wouldn't the British made an open and full bore exercise in telling the world, especially Iran , that this is what happened, you release the sailors or else !

The longer Blair lingers, the less beliveable the British will be. There is this thing called the " window of opportunity " in the political speak . Let us see what comes out over the next 24 hours.

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Post time 2007-3-28 20:58:47 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mengzhi at 2007-3-28 22:40
If SBS has a source of the evidence, that is good. I am sceptical that on the official front , these evidence has not been mentioned widely and the " truth " revealed !  Why wouldn't the British made an open and full bore exercise in telling the world, especially Iran , that this is what happened, you release the sailors or else !


The Brits have done exactly that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6502805.stm
The UK government has released details of where it says the 15 sailors and Marines were when they were seized by Iranian forces on 23 March.
The Ministry of Defence says the merchant ship boarded by a crew from HMS Cornwall on 23 March was 1.7 nautical miles (3.1km) inside Iraqi territorial waters. It says the master of the vessel has confirmed this.
HMS Cornwall was south-east of the merchant ship, inside Iraqi waters.
On 24 March the Iranian government told the UK - according to the UK's Ministry of Defence - that the merchant vessel was at a different location, but still within Iraqi waters.
When the UK pointed out to the Iranians that the location they had given was within Iraqi waters, the Iranians provided a "corrected" location, nearly 1 nautical mile away (1.9km) from its first position but within Iranian waters.
The UK government disputes both Iranian claims. It says the "corrected" location is more than 2 nautical miles (3.7km) from its own version, as recorded by HMS Cornwall's GPS data equipment.


Looks like the Iranians are making it up as they go along.
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Post time 2007-3-28 21:21:01 |Display all floors

There are precedents .

I think a panel of  neutral and third party electronic experts must be involved. Right now it is no more than " I say, you say " bantering. Submit readings which must be routine stuff from both sides and let the truth be told. I would not say that it is beyond the realms of possibilities that powers like the Brits can be stretching the " truth " as well. Remember the WMDs and the " 45 minutes to launching " of the same elusive WMDs ? At the time, they were all " beyond doubt  and solid evidence " , blah blah blah.

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Post time 2007-3-28 21:48:20 |Display all floors
"I think a panel of  neutral and third party electronic experts must be involved."

Wasn't I saying that all along? While you were presuming that one side was responsible?

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