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Post time 2007-3-13 12:19:47 |Display all floors
How to explain, then, the 87,000 riots that take place in China every year? Obviously someone wishes they had the legal right to demonstrate, given that they are willing to do so violently and risk arrest and imprisonment in doing so.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/171fb682-88d6-11da-94a6-0000779e2340.html

What you need to get into your head is that supressing dissent doesn't make it go away, it just hides it away. Without recourse to peaceful protest or any legal way of expressing their discontent, people will turn to violence, as they do on tens of thousands of occasions in mainland China every year.

For all your talk about preserving order in China, the CCP is failing at this very task. Scenes like the one below are all too common in China, but extremely rare in more stable nations say, in Western Europe. Or indeed in Taiwan.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFl31EHMQN4

[ Last edited by irishinuk at 2007-3-13 12:34 PM ]

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Post time 2007-3-13 12:41:11 |Display all floors

And just today:

there was a riot between 20,000 people and 1,000 cops in Hunan Yongzhou (one person was killed in the riot). Someone has something to protest about.

http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/ ... 3-13&id=2347791

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Post time 2007-3-13 13:15:22 |Display all floors
Not at all. If people had proper channels (i.e. freedom of speech) they could express their discontent through the media, or through peaceful demonstrations. But since there is no freedom, the only way they feel that they can be noticed is through violence.

Bottom line: these people aren't terrorists, they're ordinary people with real grievances that are being ignored. There's a reason why nothing like this ever happens in Taiwan, Japan, or in the West - and it's because people don't have massive grievances against their governments, which are generally doing their jobs.

Are you still sticking to your old line that no-one in China cares about their right to protest the government?

To repeat: supressing dissent doesn't make it go away. It is still there, simmering under the surface, waiting to explode.

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Post time 2007-3-13 13:21:49 |Display all floors
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Post time 2007-3-13 13:59:11 |Display all floors
"Don’t your western governments break up protests with tear gas, water cannon when required. Don’t they also charge them and take them to court?"

In Taiwan and in the West, people are allowed to demonstrate and criticise, even condemn the government without being charged for anything, provided it's peaceful. But in mainland China, you can't criticise Communist leadership over the mainland even in a peaceful way, as you probably know.

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