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Post time 2007-2-19 16:17:15 |Display all floors
Originally posted by renegadedog9 at 2007-2-17 14:30
John - have you ever considered that European-style red wine just doesn't 'go' that well with Chinese food?  I have a load of the stuff that I was given as a present, and I never drink it with a me ...

Renegadedog, this cannot be true, right? How about a glass of wine with braised pork with soy sauce? I think the wine goes very well with this dish! and there are actually more and more chinese who start to like wines very much.

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Post time 2007-2-19 16:34:26 |Display all floors
Originally posted by renegadedog9 at 2007-2-17 14:31
Re. behaviour of 'European' kids, I take it you are referring to the UK?  In which case, yes we do have our fair share of badly behaved kids, but I think you'll find that that is not so true of oth ...

I have illicited this as an example that how tasty things can also create social problems if not consumed properly. As long as it is harmless, there is really no reason why we should not keep it.

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Post time 2007-2-19 17:08:28 |Display all floors
Originally posted by renegadedog9 at 2007-2-17 14:32
Re. changing the culture.  Well didn't that happen when beer was introduced in the first place?  Heck, every country's culture changes.  I would be more upset about the number of McDonalds restaura ...

At least I am not against changes. After all, when it was that Europeans started to use chinas? But recently I am just not so happy with the fact that some westerners' obsession of changing things the way they want it to be and with the extra time and money it looks a heck lot easier for them to change us than us changing them!

My point here is simply that you can try change things the way you like it to be but just dont even say that  it is because yours is better than mine! Or worse, only because it is you who refuse to change.

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Post time 2007-2-19 20:09:41 |Display all floors

Le grand vin

Thanks for the continuing comments.

I'd further the discussion with the following points:

1. I fully accept that table wine, particularly that which is imported, is still
relatively expensive in China. Therefore, beer is a necessary alternative.
However, at formal business dinners in China, table wines would be only
marginally more expensive than moutai or other aged baijiu wines.

2. There is a table wine for every dish. If I eat fish, I like a crisp,
light-bodied white such as Sancerre; with chicken a heavier white
such as Chardonnay or Viognier would be preferred; a peppered
steak would beg a full-bodied Cote-Rotie; an exquisite dessert wine from Italy -
Torcolato Maculan - is a dream partner for chocolate dessert.... I should
reiterate that Eurpean wine was intended as a partner for food.

3. In advocating table wines I am not getting on a high horse and suggesting
that European culture is superior to Chinese culture. Absolutely not. What
I'm suggesting is a cultural fusion between European wines and Chinese  
food, to the benefit of both.

4. When I stated that Europeans habitually drink more than Chinese people, I
wasn't inferring the beer and alcopop-fueled drunken antics of my fellow
Brits. I meant that wine is consumed regularly with meals by diners of all
ages throughout Europe. Indeed, wine-consumption in France averages
out at two-thirds of a bottle per person, per day - but this does not result in
drunkenness as the wine is consumed largely with food.        

No, lovable my fine wine courses attract a fee, so that I can purchase wines for
tasting. However, wine tastings are often run in large Chinese cities and
allow someone to try a large number of wines for a fairly modest fee. Such
tastings are an economical way of both enjoying and learning about wine.

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Post time 2007-2-23 09:24:15 |Display all floors

More wine classes!


Sorry if any of my previous comment on baijin and wine made you unhappy. In fact, I pretty like the idea of you introducing enuropean culture to the Chinese. These are just my ways of picturing things that interests me.

So pls keep on posting your introductions on western wines. I am sure there must be lots of other eager listeners out here.

While there is absolutely nothing that I oppose here, I could not help but WONDERING on the following questions while reading all your posts.

First of all, I wonder why as you had said it clearly that even when some wines have become as affordable as some better-known baijius,such as maotai, those business partenrs you have had still treated you with baijiu not wines? There must be something in it that made it a must for the dinning table! The taste or the hope of the host  to introuduce a new wine to you which was supposedly originated in China? If it is for the last reason, then it will be no reason why it should disappear from the chinese dinning tables soon, espeically at  very formal business events. But sure, that won't be our hope either,right?Then what would you do when that happens?

To your second point, personally I would be very excited to be introduced to some new wines, and I fully agree their friendly nature to food.So do it at least for all our non-baijiu types. But here is the thing I am wondering about, what if we all become addicted to it and still can not afford it? Can you help deal with that also?

To your third point, if it is really true that chinese food and european wine could make a perfect match. Then what we do about baijiu and european food? While there are not enough resources or opportunities for us to explore as people from other countries, it will also be less likely for US to make such comparisons and fuse things and change a few peoples' mind.

If there is any reason why I had seemed so intense, it is because I like the subject very much.

Happy New Year to you and others who is also interested in this subject!

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Post time 2007-2-23 19:20:06 |Display all floors

Vino veritas


Please accept my apology if I gave the impression your previous reply had
angered me; not at all. Your enthusiasm for the fascinating subject of wine is
admirable. You must always speak your mind! The title of this post is "Vino
Veritas" - a Latin phrase meaning "in wine there is truth".

Let me reply to your queries.

Even though my business hosts could afford interesting table wines, they tend
to fall back on tradition at formal dinners and serve traditional drinks like baijiu.
I don't criticise them for that as they are only following traditional custom. It is
the responsbility of wine educators such as myself to encourage the serving
of table wines at such events; hence my fine wine courses in Shanghai.

Wine drinkers are less likely to become alcoholics (addicted drinkers) than
those who prefer wine and beer. This is because wine is associated with
food and not seen as something to quaff for the purposes of getting drunk.
When I am on Nanjing Donglu, I see drunk people (mainly men) coming out
of restaurants (where they have had baijiu) or out of the beer halls (for example
that German beer tent on Nanjing Donglu). Wine is a drink for enjoyment, not
a means ot get drunk. The issue of cost is a sad factor of life! We all aspire to
things we can't afford. However, we just have to buy wines that we can afford. I
grew up in a poor family in the UK, so I know what it is to want things I can't have.
However, I will run wine tastings in China that for about 100RMB allows
someone to taste as many as 15 good wines, which is good value. Also,
going to such tastings allows people to discover hwta they like, so that they
know what to order in the future - one of the reasons some people don't
order wine in restaurants is that they don't know if they will like it, as they
do not know much about wine.

European wine has been developed specifically to match the diverse foods
of Europe. French cuisine is seen as the finest in the world and has
developed an extensive list of excellent food-wine matches. It's main
challenger is Italy, which also boasts delicious food and wine combinations.
The food and wine culture of France, Italy, Spain, Greece has moved north to
Germany, the UK and the Scandinavian countries. Even in a small regional
city in the southwest of England (population 250,000) I can choose restaurants
from more than 30 countries (including all 4 Chinese regional cuisines) that
all have extensive lists of wine from all over the world (Europe, Australia,
South Africa, Chile, New Zealand, America, Argentina etc). Such choice has
improved everyone's enjoyment of dining out.

Life is often unexciting and mundane, so anything we can do to make it more
interesting should be embraced wholeheartedly.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel

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Post time 2007-2-23 19:54:55 |Display all floors
Can you people stop argueing?
I used to work in liver units in hospitals and have seen too many alcoholic liver problems and liver failures, those people have no other choice but to wait for a liver transplant.
I have seen too many dinking driving accidents in news, people kill themselves and kill others at the same time. How many times should we be told not to drink???

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