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Post time 2006-6-17 17:05:52 |Display all floors
This is a public board, when you post something do not be surprised others will input their own personal opinions.

It is a learning process and you should not be threatened or misinterpret it as a personal attack.
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Post time 2006-6-17 19:30:08 |Display all floors
Originally posted by eye2eye at 17-6-2006 07:03
this idea of aftermath is only borrowed from someone's words.

why i present it here is that it is interesting.

pls dont take this chance to launch personal attacks.


If you just copy them out without saying anything yourself, people will assume you think exactly that. You need to show what you think.
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

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Post time 2006-6-17 19:36:15 |Display all floors

Reply #10 eye2eye's post

Mind you:Zhou Enlai was the military leader for 4 battles against KMT troops during 1931-1934,and he won all those battles.

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Post time 2006-6-17 19:59:47 |Display all floors

Reply #4 eyeofstorm's post

i see these words precious, understanding,independent and respect,etc
whats the limitation of freedom in the education system?
its not a doubt,just wondering.u know the chinese poem只缘身在此山中?
so plz put it clearly and more details,for better understanding and improvement.
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Post time 2006-6-23 04:47:37 |Display all floors
Originally posted by eye2eye at 2006-6-17 02:23

some beautiful women go abroad for good, leaving only mediocre at home. then our nation will be less beautiful.

some men of top intelligence go out, leaving ordinary people at home. our nation will have less intelligence.


So... you have identified two problems. That's the first step.

The second step is to imagine how you want this to be reversed, and make a plan.

The third step is to carry out this plan.

Problem #1: New babies are born all the time, so if pretty women leave, their genes will nevertheless stay (because their genes are present in many people) and the beauty will remain intact. So this isn't a problem, and never was, partly because only a fraction of the beauties leave (together with the not so beautiful).

However, if we want to make sure the beauties stay, then we have the same problem as in Problem #2. The top intelligence will stay if they feel they are reasonably free to express themselves and work in their Motherland, and if their compensation is reasonable. They don't have to be compensated as much as in the West, because being at home is also attractive to people.

That leaves us with no choice but to continue the economic reforms, even if this means that the poor will be left behind for many years to come. And the freedoms must be increased gradually as well.

If a Chinese man or woman is having a decent income and a good job, if the economy is going well, if there is investment in the country, and if he/she can participate in the debate, speaking out his mind on things that he/she feels are important (like the 3 gorges dam, local environment, pandas, the Taiwan issue, whatever), why would he/she leave China? He/she wouldn't.
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Post time 2006-6-23 05:46:04 |Display all floors

More Opportunities = More Will Stay

As long as the appropriate education efforts are made, Chinese will be Chinese, wherever they are.  They will want to come back to China and contribute, wherever they go.

If indeed beauty is deemed worth keeping, there are MANY ways using current technology, both in cosmetic surgery (which in itself can become a good sized industry with serious export potential, as the S. Koreans have learned), or start an egg and sperm donation drive, and go around the world and ask for the support of beautiful and successful Chinese, wherever they be.  Not everyone will contribute, but even if you get only 20% compliance, the collection can be large, especially on the male side since the "cost" is low.

The smarter ones will likely go where the "return" is the greatest - i.e., on average, where they can get the highest income and job satisfaction over their lifetimes.  By improvind the opportunities in China's cities, today's China already gives anywhere in the world a run for the money.  As long as the economy keeps growing the way it did, the trend is for more to move back, and not the other way around.

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Post time 2006-6-23 06:30:22 |Display all floors
Originally posted by tongluren at 22-6-2006 22:46
As long as the appropriate education efforts are made, Chinese will be Chinese, wherever they are. They will want to come back to China and contribute, wherever they go.


Given that Chinese people actively seek new citizenship that is nonsense. Plus "appropriate education efforts" sound a lot like indoctrination to me. If people want to go, live and become part of another country that's their choice. They shouldn't be brainwashed into thinking they shouldn't.

By improvind the opportunities in China's cities, today's China already gives anywhere in the world a run for the money.


Given the pollution, corruption and lack of freedoms in the PRC I think you're actually completely wrong. The US, Europe and Australia (not sure about South Korea and Japan) are still very attractive places to move to for many Chinese. There is still a net outflow of well educated people from China that don't want to go back. That would be worse if they could get in to our countries more easily. That desire to move abroad change in the long-term, but will continue for some time.

[ Last edited by mencius at 2006-6-22 11:37 PM ]
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