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Post time 2006-5-31 06:08:31 |Display all floors
lanzai, you ridicule those who differ with you?

I guess it is your right, but most would say it is wrong when people seek diversity in viewpoints.  You use embarassment and ridicule to silence those with whom you do not agree.

In America, the laws differ from state to state on ages for teens having sex with each other.  However, mostly when a male turns 18, he must register to be drafted for war, and he may no longer have legal sex with any girlfriend who is not his age or older.  It's sort of an oddity since it is customary (but not strictly so) that young women prefer to date men who are older than they are.  The confluence of law and social custom place 18 year old men in a situation where they cannot act normally and legally at the same time.

You have commented earlier that young people need to practice sex in order to behave responsibly.  Wouldn't the best way for teenagers to learn sex be the same way they receive individualized instruction in other subjects?  Wouldn't an older, more experienced adult be more appropriate than in inexperienced, fumbling boy or girl?

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Post time 2006-5-31 06:20:27 |Display all floors

Get it straight here, this is about sex EDUCATION.


As some said there are always two sides to a coin.  I don’t think any education can be complete without understanding the flip side of it.  It is only when we understand that we can take responsibility and be fair to ourselves when faced with the consequences.

Understanding goes a long way than just “knowing”.  Remember the college Chinese girl who contracted AIDS from her former foreign boyfriend after a one-year affair with him?

http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/vie ... page%3D6&page=1

AIDS is an incurable disease which means she will die in a matter of years depending on how quick the disease gets into her, her own constitution and the medical treatment available to her.  

At the moment, China does NOT have that medical facility to handle the fatal disease of AIDS and even if you have the treatment, it will come at a very heavy price which you may or may not afford it or find it worth your while.  Sometimes, it is not only a matter of money or available medical treatment but the physical and physiological discomforts, social stigma and drug-dependent that has become of you and will have to go through your life in this unhealthy way.  I have seen how some of these people suffer.  Those expensive medicines are a matter of life and death which they cannot do without.  Some drained the family resources so much that they had preferred to die rather than continue to suffer or burden their family.

I don’t think the college girl is unaware of AIDS or any of the sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).  I will be surprised and I will sad if the college girl who engaged in sex with her ex-boyfriend did not know about AIDS or STDs.

Indeed, “knowing” the disease is one thing but actually “understanding” their impacts on your life and the meaning of your life, if any, is quite another.  When it happens to you, it will be too late.  So, acquire full knowledge and consider if it is worth it before you do anything rash and stupid.  You are responsible for yourself, nobody is.

Yes, it’s her ex-boyfriend and boyfriend no more of college girl.  She is alone now and going through her suffering alone.  These foreigners are impermanent.  They drift from one country to another.  As a naturally sexual animal, don’t be surprised that they will seek sex with women wherever they go and abandon them at their convenience.  If you come from a country which is understanding, that’s fine.  If not, then you suffer.  Those guys don’t care.  They say “we are adults”, it’s “consensual”.  Be smart.

I am an advocate of sex but only sex in adulthood and sex in a responsible way; in a marriage and between committed partners, honest and faithful to one another.

Yes, sex education should be taught in stages when the teens are ready and able to relate his/her inner changes to his/her reality.

So what if boys experienced erection from birth?  Does it mean he knows sex and desires it from birth?  Does a baby boy sucking his mother’s nipples mean he is satisfying his sexual desire and not his hunger?  If going by Freakyqi’s (flawed) sexual knowledge it would mean that boys should be separated from girls from young.

Have you heard that physiological development does not equate mental maturity?  That is my advocate for sex only in adulthood and not teens.

Hold it, stay away and don’t rush until you are ready, not only mentally but financially.  You have a lifetime to make love, don’t fret.


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Post time 2006-5-31 06:33:32 |Display all floors

Reply #29 matt605's post

Thanks, Matt.

You have raised a good point.  

At least, I am comforted that in this forum, I can still find people from my planet.  :)



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Post time 2006-5-31 06:55:58 |Display all floors
I certainly come from a different planet from mr pimp and his cronies, who have only a one-track mind and are very flawed, if not perverted, in giving advice to teens.  All the want is to have FUN!

Here’s one of my backers.

Teen Sex: Fueled by Media Images or Curbed through Good Information?     6/5/2003
By Janice Shaw Crouse, Ph.D.

(CWA – Concerned Women for America)

Recent studies document physical, psychological and emotional damage from teen sex.

Pass any magazine rack and sexy images are on prominent display, not just in the popular magazines for adults, but also in those geared for the teen market. Watch any television show targeting teens and the sexual images are even more blatant and pervasive. The end result is that 20% of teens have sex before reaching age 15 [especially for eyeofstorm and his insufferable quest for common truths of your western society] and while teen sexual activity has declined, an astounding 48% have engaged in sexual intercourse. This is a remarkable failure for a nation that spends $219 million per year on comprehensive sex education programs. (In contrast, liberals raised a hue and cry against the proposed $135 million that the President proposed for abstinence programs.)

In February, our organization (CWA/BLI) released a poll conducted by the well-respected polling firm, the Zogby Organization, revealing that parents want their children to be well-informed –– they just don’t want their teens to get flawed and false messages and special agendas from comprehensive sex education programs and “safe sex” messages. Instead, they want their children to be taught the benefits of abstinence while they are getting straight-forward facts and information. In other words, they want their children to get the truth.


Parents face a challenge, however, in getting truth through to their children and teens. A study last month indicates that 70% of American teens get their information about sex through the media.


The good news is that, more and more, solid information about the risks involved with early sex activity is competing with the sexy images that bombard teens on every front. This week, the Heritage Foundation released a study indicating that “Sexually Active Teenagers are More Likely to be Depressed and to Attempt Suicide.” The Heritage data comes from the 1996 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, the study commonly called “Ad Health” from whose deep data resources so many organizations have analyzed specific issues and questions. The Ad Health study questioned 6500 representative adolescents and found that, in addition to the more commonly documented health problems associated with early sexual activity, there are significant psychological and emotional problems that accompany teen sex. One quarter of sexually active girls are depressed –– three times the rate of depression among abstinent girls. While less than 10% of sexually active boys are depressed, that is twice as high as the depression rate among abstinent boys. There is an even stronger link to suicide attempts among teens that are sexually active. The girls are three times more likely to attempt suicide and the boys are eight times more likely. This is very sobering data that cannot be ignored. Equally important are the personal reactions of teens –– overwhelmingly, they express regret at starting sexual activity. Two-thirds of sexually active teens express regret and fully three-fourths of the girls wish that they had waited.


Teens today live in the midst of a public health epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases. One in five teens has genital herpes. Half of the girls who have had sex contract HPV, according to the New England Journal of Medicine, and 14% of them will get cervical cancer, a disease that causes more deaths than HIV/AIDS. Over the past 20 years, more than 2 dozen STDs have been added to the two known STDs of 1960, syphilis and gonorrhea. And, while teen sexual activity has declined, it is still too high and more than 3 million teens a year come down with an STD. More than a quarter of sexually active teens have an STD.


Liberals tell those teens to just wear a condom. But the National Institutes of Health are unequivocal –– even with 100% consistency in condom use, there is only an 87% reduction of risk for HIV/AIDS and condoms decrease the risk for other STDs at an even lower percentage.


College counselors tell us that the physical risks pale in comparison to the psychological and emotional risks.  Over the past 10 years, college counselors have seen their case loads expand dramatically –– depression cases have doubled, suicide attempts have tripled and sexual assaults have quadrupled.


Abstinence promotes the health and well-being of teens and is their best lifestyle choice until marriage. Young people are capable of developing the character, integrity, self-control and personal responsibility necessary for remaining abstinent before marriage. We do young people a disservice when we expect less. We endanger their health and well-being when we perpetuate the myths that “their hormones are uncontrollable; they are going to do it anyway” and “condoms provide protection so promiscuity won’t be harmful, let them live it up while they are young.”

No responsible adult can, in good conscience, seriously want to encourage teenagers to jeopardize their future by short-circuiting their character development and endangering their health and well-being.


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Post time 2006-5-31 08:24:53 |Display all floors
Oh, Whampoa... when are you going to learn. What you posted is just an opinion. Disregarding that leaning on authorities will lead you nowhere, this is not even an authority. All of it can be countered with similar articles from other sources.

Let's just look at this:

Liberals tell those teens to just wear a condom. But the National Institutes of Health are unequivocal –– even with 100% consistency in condom use, there is only an 87% reduction of risk for HIV/AIDS and condoms decrease the risk for other STDs at an even lower percentage.


"Liberals" is a very loaded word... so this is a piece from the Christian right. Oh, I am surprised.

Anyway. The risk of getting infected with aids is 1 to 1000 for men and 1 to 300 for women. Without a condom. That is IF the partner has aids. An 87% reduction of this is not bad; it means that you have a greater chance of winning the state power ball than being infected by HIV through teen sex.
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Post time 2006-5-31 08:49:42 |Display all floors

Diogenes, there were three of us.... Me and two girls all the same age.

I intentionally kept quiet for a while to see who really knows anything about human physiology, etc. Erections in males can even occur before they are born. Orgasm can occur at any age. The nerve complex is there already. This does not prevent copulation. The idea that pre-pubescent children can not participate in sexual stimulation and coitus is not accurate. The only thing puberty does is begin the process of procreation. (sperm and ova production) It doesn't prevent the act.
   Nor for more of the story. We eventually were discovered and I was the only one beaten for what my grandmother believed to be sins against God..... The parents of the two girls were more understanding of the natural response of sexual activity and apparently took my grandmother to confession. She apologised for my bloody back and never beat me again.
   No, having the experience of penetrating sex at such a young age actually gave me a more compassionate viewpoint on one of the most beautiful natural things we humans do and I realized that my own children would need the knowledge of sex and the joys and dangers it presents. It is the responsibility of the parents to start the teaching process and later when the children enter school to learn other opinions. As for the three of us?  We did it for the pleasure and joy of touch.  That summer was the last for us but when we would see eachother years later, we would smile a knowing smile remembering that innocent summer. It did not traumatize them or me. And no, I did not follow a life of perverse sexual activity.

   As far as the stats go, I will have to disagree with teens learning 70% of what they know from the media. From what my four children have said they have learned from their peers. It was necessary for me to raise them in a manner that they could ask me any question and I would answer them honestly without punishment or causing them to never ask a question again. Their trust in my honesty give them trust in me.
   We definitely need to start sexual education earlier in children's lives. But with the broken families, foster children and some very strange views of the human sexual condition by many parents it is becoming a difficult task. When the schools take over, there is a lot missing from the explaination and reasoning behind who ever discusses it to the children. Doctors and nurses do not take take courses in the Human Sexual Response and that goes for ministers and religious people.
   In today's modern world, there are mutating viruses and bacteria, fungus, and who knows what else is coming along. The old days of NSU (Non Specific Uretheritis) and "Clap" (Gonnorhea) are gone. The stuff going around today is deadly. We need more than ever to teach our children what it is really all about. Sexuality is as you said, emotional as well as physical and especially for women it is vital that they be aware of everything they can learn but at the same time, know that it is one of the most wonderful gifts we humans have. How to balance that? We don't really have a lot of people trained in a way that they will not either create frigid humans or create sexual monsters in the training and education they would provide.
   It is a serious problem globally. How to educate the kids without messing up their heads?

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Post time 2006-5-31 11:15:40 |Display all floors
As for those teens who take a vow of virginity/abstinence until marriage, statistics show 50% of them will have sex within 1 year of making the vow.

Let's make an assumption: teens will be curious about their bodies and the bodies of others, and due to hormones and weird things going on in their heads, will be tempted to experiment. So, without passing moral judgment, who is better off when they decide to experiment--the teen who has had at least a few years of sex ed that explains what's what and how it works and how to do it safely, or the teen who has had to find out through rumor, half-answers from parents, and textbooks that say "sex is bad if you're not married"?

If puberty occurs around 12, sex ed should start a year or so before that, so girls know what's going on when they get their periods and boys know what's going on when they have wet dreams. From there, move on toward the act of sex and similar topics. Pre-empt them. That's the best bet.

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