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The way you speak is important for others judgement!

I strongly discourage the Chinlish of my children. i am concerned that they are not learning to speak English properly because they are always taking with their friends and on the internet were everyone makes the same mistakes. They believe they speak ok but when they get into the workplace they will seem very unprofessional and will speak badly if they want to study overseas.... it is very difficult to unlearn bad habits!

I have recently signed my daughter up for English conversation classes on with SPEAKEVERYDAY. I am very please because she speaks every night to an English teacher and practices communicating properly.

I would recommend it to other parents concerned with the level of their children:
www.speakeveryday.com/intl

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Post time 2006-5-18 21:43:10 |Display all floors

Intelligent people

Originally posted by rovi297 at 2006-5-18 20:26



hahaha, what a sore loser on earth!


Debate for a cause... you're a hopless one;-) Unfortunately, right now my time is limited and your government called me to tell me to stop bothering with you;-)

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Post time 2006-5-18 21:44:02 |Display all floors

So you agree English is necessary then

Originally posted by rovi297 at 2006-5-18 20:28



hahaha, what a load of rubbish!


:lol:lol

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Post time 2006-5-18 21:47:16 |Display all floors
Originally posted by wendywow at 2006-5-18 21:10
I strongly discourage the Chinlish of my children. i am concerned that they are not learning to speak English properly because they are always taking with their friends and on the internet were eve ...

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Post time 2006-5-18 22:10:30 |Display all floors

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"lease wipe your own stink arse clean before picking on or jumping on anybody else!"
What does "stink arse" have to do with "picking on or jumping" on anybody? You're just blabbing away using filthy words as "ammunition". attempt to say something intelligent for a change. Perhaps you can enlighten us idiots, on why you feel Chinglish should be encouraged here in China. It's a typical communist thing to destroy those who disagree isn't it?

"You had time to double check, but your dysfunctional  brain won't let you do it anyway. Why? It is because you never know it" Direct electronic translation" 您有时间加倍检查, 但您不正常的脑子不会让您做它无论如何。为什么? 它是因为很难说它 bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Still doesn't make sense.

"I can tell you now ----------------you are in a situation of "shit-hit-the-fan" tsk tsk talk about an oversized ego with a "clunk! clunk!" on top

For your listening pleasure!!!
[ Shawnie Shawn ]
Yo, what's goin on Ice?
[ Ice-T ]
Yo what's up Shawnie Shawn?
Man, just trippin off this girl, man
[ Shawnie Shawn ]
Girls?
You?
The Iceberg?
Aw man, come on, spill it, man
She was a swinger
Talkin 'bout high post
She was the most
Knew she was fine, dope, fly
She didn't have to try
She brought a eye on my eye in a crowded club
I tried to stare the girl down, but she didn't budge
She moved through the crowd in a straight line
The closer she got, mad thoughts ran through my mind
Yo, what would I say, yo, how would I chill?
My mind drew a blank, the whole scene was ill
She stepped in the light, she was dynamite
Her eyes said, I wanna be with you all night
I wanna rub you down, I wanna kiss, caress your soul
Make your body warm and cold
Do everything sexually you ever heard
And she hadn't said a single word..
I said, Damn, what the hell am I gonna do?
But my eyes said the same things too
I tried to speak, she put a finger across my lips
Followed it with a kiss
She said, I want you bad, and she moved in next to me
This woman spelled out ecstacy
Said, I've seen on the movies and TV
I love your records, but I ain't no groupie
Just wanna love ya, cause you're a real man
And you deserve this lovin like only I can
I wanted her bad, and I am a man
That night the shit hit the fan
[ Shawnie Shawn ]
Damn, man
Keep on with it, man
Come on now kick it, man
You gotta kick it right, though
Let me know what's up
She had a 500 S-E-L airtight
Cellular phone, brand-new, it was white on white
As we walked to the car, I couldn't help but recognize
Her small waist and sexy thighs
She had a beach house she owned and a restaurant
Took me in her crib and put Sade on
As the waves hit the rocks in the moonlight
She came up behind me and squeezed me real tight
My mind started to trip, flip, roll, and roam
What about my girl who's at sleep at home?
But before I could lock in on that thought
She broke out with a new men's watch that she had bought
She put it round my wrist, it was a perfect fit
And said in my ear, Want you to have it
Then she unzipped her dress, dropped it to the ground
My mind was totally blown by now
She gazed at me nude in the moonlight
Pumps still on, her body was firm and tight
I looked at her breasts as they glistened and rised
Right before my eyes
And all I could say to myself was, Damn..
The night the shit hit the fan
[ Shawnie Shawn ]
Man, man, man
I understand...
(The night the shit hit the fan)
Come on now
I feel it
Come on
(The night the shit hit the fan)
Damn, man
It's all that
Shit
Come on, Ice
Kick that shit
Now I'm a player, I been all around the world
Made love to many girls
But tonight this was the big league
And I was worryin about fatigue
I wanna do this girl, so she won't forget me
And I knew that she'd let me
She moved close and took my shirt off
She said my skin was soft
Then slipped her hand
Between my stomach and my waist band
Man, I couldn't take it no more
Fuck the bedroom, we use the kitchen floor
We hit skins all weekend
We didn't even eat, we just hit em again
I love to think about how it went down
But she's no longer around
Left town with some fly guy
She's on some island drinkin D'Acqueray's and Mai Thai's
But she gave me the keys to the beach house
She knows what I'm about, at least now she figured out
I ain't nothin but a straight up man
And I might need those keys the next time the shit hits the fan
Yeah
Uh!
Yeah
Uh..
Yeah
Uh
I want her
[ Shawnie Shawn ]
Damn
All that, all that
And after all that
You know?
You always know, man
In the long run
You meet another one like the other one

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Post time 2006-5-18 22:48:33 |Display all floors

Rovi After trying to give you reason

because apparently we have different definitions for "Chinglish", I found this on the net:

Chinglish, a portmanteau of the words Chinese and English, is any poor or 'broken' English spoken by native Chinese speakers. Chinglish is usually found in written form. Famous examples include "no'k you" as a response to "thank you" and ok lah. (The second example is both Chinglish and Singlish.)

One of the more noticeable cases of Chinglish, especially on mainland China, is the phrase welcome to. This is used as a direct translation in Chinese. It actually means "we invite you to" or "you are welcome to", and is used more as an incentive to the activity introduced; or is used as a form of "thank you". Its use is almost always cordial, inviting, or otherwise positive. A more confusing matter arises with the usage of the phrase welcome again. This is used more at the end of, for example, a bus ride, or a visit to a bookstore, and would be translated as a message of thanks, and that the visitor is welcome back at any time. An equivalent phrase in English-speaking countries might be "Please come again."

Examples:

    * Welcome to ride Line 52 Bus = Thank you for riding Bus Line 52.
    * Welcome to ride Line 13 again = Thank you for riding Line 13, and we would be pleased to welcome you back aboard at any time.

Types of Chinglish

Deformed and grammatically erroneous usage of English, which shows the writer "thinking in Chinese while writing in English", may also be considered Chinglish. Such examples include verbatim word-for-word translation. Samples include "Wipe out six injurious insect" (to wipe out six types of insects, including cockroaches and mosquitoes) and as well as "enjoy stand" (a scenic viewpoint).

Inaccurate pronunciation or misspellings through typos or poor pronounciation may also "create" Chinglish. For example, the word "temple" and "temper" may be confused, and someone could be pointed to a "temper" when "temple" was intended. Note that the two English words, when poorly pronounced, may resemble each other to the extent that the two are indistinguishable; this further creates confusion. Sometimes, the poor pronunciation of a single English word can create a Chinglish pronunciation that is almost nothing like the original English word. For example, the company named "Zellers" (part of the Hudson's Bay Company) is often incorrectly pronounced as "Se La".

Chinglish can be "created" by common patterns of grammatical errors. For example, excessive use of "the" when not needed and the excessive use of verbs with the "-ing" ending are common characteristics of Chinglish. An excess use of "to", the use of "to" with modals (e.g. "I must to go"), the confusion of -ed and -ing adjectives (e.g. "I am very boring" vs. "I am very bored"), the overuse of "very" between "be" and an adjective (reflecting the use of "很" in Chinese), the use of "very" to modify verbs, the use of the passive when the active is more appropriate, and wrong usage of verb tenses may also give rise to Chinglish phrases.

Erroneous vocabulary usage (e.g. "to put in Jingzhang Expressway" instead of "entering Jingzhang Expressway") can also qualify as Chinglish. Another common mistake is the use of "emergent" to mean "emergency" or "urgent". Many of these errors stem from misuse of, or errors in, dictionaries.

Chinglish may possibly also refer to typos ("toll gtae" instead of "toll gate", for example) although whether a mere typo qualifies as Chinglish may be debatable.

Chinglish can also be more specifically a creole, that uses both English and Chinese vocabulary in the same sentence. This is particularly evident in areas that have both English and Chinese as official languages, such as Singapore and Hong Kong. (When specifically discussing the English dialect of Singapore, Singlish may be more appropriate.)

Chinglish may also loosely refer to the distinctly Chinese-dominated accent spoken by speakers of English in China, although this definition may not be widely in acceptance or may only be gaining acceptance.
Language humour

Although most Chinglish phrases originated from poor English, plenty of Chinglish phrases were created as language humor. For example:

   1. Open the door see mountain (verbatim translation from a Chinese idiom, meaning "to speak straightforwardly"). Another such example may be "five flowers eight doors" (in Chinese, wǔ huā bā m?n), which means "plentiful".
   2. Un-ding-able (it means "can't stand it". 頂 ding in Cantonese means "to stand against")
   3. You go see see lah (Go and have a look.) (please refer to Hong Kong English)

In early and mid-20th century, Chinglish was derogatorily called "pidgin" (洋涇濱, or 洋泾浜) in Chinese.
Effects

Chinglish is becoming a problem for major cities such as Beijing. In Beijing, in preparation for the 2008 Olympics, the city authorities are clamping down on the usage of Chinglish and replacing it with proper English. Thus, signs that previously read: "To take notice of safe: The slippery are very crafty" may read, in proper English, "Caution - slippery path", et cetera. Some other examples include: "Oil gate" (filling station), "confirming distance" (keep space, distance verification), and so on and so forth.
Cases of Chinglish
These cases are mere examples of Chinglish, and what they mean when correctly translated into English:

    * To take notice of safe: The slippery are very crafty. (Beijing) = Be careful, slippery slopes.
    * To put out Xuanda Expressway. To put in Jingzhang Expressway. (Xuanda Expressway) = Now leaving Xuanda Expressway, now entering Jingzhang Expressway.
    * Decimbing path. (Jingzhang Expressway) = Descent.
    * Rain or snow day. Bridge, slow-driving. (All expressways in Hebei) = Slow on bridge in case of rain or snow.
    * Oil gate. / Into. (4th Ring Road (Beijing)) = Filling station. / Entrance.
    * Smoking is prohibited if you will be fined 50 yuan. = Smoking is prohibited, penalties for violators is 50 yuan.
    * Please come down from your bicycle. = Please dismount from your bicycle.
    * If you have trouble ask for the policeman. or If in trouble find police = In case of trouble, dial the police.
    * Being urgent call 110 quickly. (Beijing) = In cases of emergency, please call 110. (110 = police phone line in China, equivalent to 911 in America)
    * Waiting will be prosecuted. = No parking.
    * Complaining tel. = Customer service telephone.
    * When you leave car, please turn off door and window, take your valuable object = Be sure to lock your doors and windows and take all valuables with you.
    * Engine room is serious place. = Engine room - Important.
    * Don't forget to take your thing. = Don't forget your personal belongings.
    * Visit in civilisation, pay attention to hygiene! This is a message mainly aimed at locals and other people who would otherwise visit somewhere in a sloppy manner.
    * Deformed man toilet. = Public conveniences for the disabled.
    * When you across hard you can ring TEL (number). = In case of emergency, please call (number).
    * Danger! Inhibition astraddle transgress. = Danger! No entry.
    * X Bank Shaoguan Cent Company (某银行韶关分公司) = X Bank Shaoguan Subsidiary
    * To run business (營業中 "operating" - commonly seen sign in mainland China and Taiwan) = Open.
    * Drink tea (休息中 "resting" - commonly seen sign in Taiwan) = Closed.
    * Many Function Hall (多功能室) (Shanghai) - Multifunctional Hall

"Education is replacing a closed mind, with an open one";-)

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