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Post time 2006-3-16 07:08:42 |Display all floors

Stop being pedantic as well.

mencius,

You are being too precious to slide and slip, trying to wriggle out of accepting this most obvious dilemma facing all moderators. Posts are deleted for any number of reasons, justified or not ( to you ). BBC selects their posts , you rightly say, so why can't CD? There is just this " Do as I say, not as I do " mentality from the whites. Get over it. I have had posts deleted by CD . I was of the opinion they were objective and to the point . But they were not to see the light of day; so what ? Write another one, for goodness sake . Don't be so thin skin about it all. If this one I am writing gets dumped because I used " white " I'll rephrase it , codify it. Stop spitting the dummy and grow up.

Confucius said " A rule is only good if you can use it both ways ! " .See? another gem from the sage.

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Post time 2006-3-16 07:13:59 |Display all floors

meng

The BBC does not present itself as a public forum - it clearly states that only a handful of comments can be selected due to the traffic the website has. On the other hand Chinadaily does operate as a public forum. If it does want to select posts and not publish all of them then it should have a system like the BBC - at least then it would be honest about its nature.

This discussion started because of matt's reaction to a comment corner made. I wanted to support what corner had to say, so we had the following discussion. And I think he (corner) has been proven right.

On a personal note, I do not get that annoyed when posts are deleted (provided its not something very long that I spent much time on). I was trying to use it as an illustrative point.

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Post time 2006-3-16 07:22:23 |Display all floors
I know of only one BBS that doesn't have any moderation, and that is slashdot.org (it is self-moderated). But even Slashdot reserves the right to entirely delete articles and accounts of trouble-makers.

If you go to a European BBS and starts writing hate speech about Jews, your stuff will in all likeliness be deleted without warning. If you put up a porn pic on a BBS in the West, it is likely to disappear on 95% of the forums. And so on.

The difference here is that there are other limits to freedom of speech. You may not like them, but you should accept them (or work for a change by writing your Congr^H^H^H^H^HParty man).
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Post time 2006-3-16 07:26:55 |Display all floors
Originally posted by liangzai at 15-3-2006 23:22
The difference here is that there are other limits to freedom of speech. You may not like them


*Sigh*

Liang, when people like matt accept that they are there (as I think he has) then there is no problem. The issue I have is when people say that there are no "special controls" either here or in China as a whole, etc.

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Post time 2006-3-16 07:28:55 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mencius at 2006-3-16 07:26

The issue I have is when people say that there are no "special controls" either here or in China as a whole.


But that is clearly self-delusional. When people say they have seen Jesus or Elvis on the street, I usually ignore them.
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Post time 2006-3-16 07:33:42 |Display all floors
Originally posted by liangzai at 15-3-2006 23:28

But that is clearly self-delusional. When people say they have seen Jesus or Elvis on the street, I usually ignore them.


If it came from flotsam, I would agree with you. But I don't think it's fair to compare matt to those kind of people, even if I disagree with him on some issues. After all we should try to convince people that are capable of being convinced. Otherwise we're just getting onto a podium one-at-a-time and giving a speach.

For example if I said something daft then you would try to point that out to me. Isn't that what you have been doing right now? Ok, I'm not saying something as outrageous as you stated, but I think that the principle is the same.

[ Last edited by mencius at 2006-3-15 11:39 PM ]
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Post time 2006-3-16 21:31:41 |Display all floors
I'm afraid of this kind of reports are alway make china like a hell.
      However, we're living happily here!

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