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Post time 2005-12-29 11:10:29 |Display all floors

A Bloomberg columnist article by John M. Berry

China's Booming Economy Will Never Surpass U.S.

John Berry

Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- China's economy is growing so fast that estimates of its long-term prowess are bordering on the absurd.

After Chinese statisticians recently sharply revised up their estimate of economic output in 2004 to $1.93 trillion, some analysts said that in 35 years it would overtake the U.S. economy.

No way, no how. The U.S. simply has too big a lead, with gross domestic product last year at $11.73 trillion.

Even if China's GDP were to grow indefinitely at 11 percent a year -- 9 percent real growth plus 2 percent inflation -- and the U.S. experienced 5.5 percent growth -- 3.5 percent real and 2 percent inflation -- it would take the Chinese 40 years to catch up in terms of nominal GDP.

Sustainable nominal GDP growth of 5.5 percent annually is well within the capability of the U.S. Eleven percent growth, about what Chinese authorities expect in 2006, isn't remotely possible in the long run.

One reason China's economic growth looks so formidable is the sheer size of its population, just over 1.3 billion as of the middle of this year, compared with slightly fewer than 300 million in the U.S., according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Yet that comparison is misleading in calculating the availability of workers to fuel economic growth.

Population Growth

Partly as the result of continued immigration, legal and illegal, U.S. population is increasing by 0.92 percent a year, according to census estimates. With no net immigration and with its government's harsh rule of one child per family, China's population is expanding at a much smaller 0.58 percent rate.

Surprisingly, given the enormous difference in current populations, Census Bureau projections show that between now and 2050, the U.S. population will rise by 124 million while the Chinese population will increase slightly less, by only 118 million.

If those projections prove accurate, the Chinese likely would have no great advantage in terms of a burgeoning labor force as an ingredient for economic growth.

China does have an advantage in the rapid movement of workers from rural agriculture into higher productivity jobs in industry and services. On the other hand, it is a process that can only occur once, just as it was largely completed in the U.S. more than half a century ago.

The other principal source of China's economic growth is its extraordinarily high share of GDP going to investment.

Investment and GDP

``China's investment-to-GDP ratio is still rising -- we estimate it at 47 percent in 2005 -- and this has resulted in a significant build-up of production capacity in many industries,'' Lehman Brothers economists told their clients on Dec. 19, just before the GDP revisions were published.

``So far, production has stayed strong, but there are symptoms of oversupply: Profit margins are being squeezed, and the trade surplus has ballooned, partly because of excess local supply being exported.

``There is an urgent need to rebalance GDP from investment to consumption, otherwise weaker foreign demand, or rising protectionism, could slow exports and bring China's oversupply to a head, forcing a major cutback in production,'' the Lehman economists said.

Some industries, such as steel and cement, are already plagued by overcapacity. And the People's Bank of China, the country's central bank, expressed concern that investment could rise further in 2006 as local governments push new projects.

Protectionist Measures

The threat of protectionist measures is probably greatest in the U.S., which in the first 10 months of this year had a $167 billion trade deficit with China, about $36 billion more than in the same period last year. This country's next largest deficit is $69 billion, with Japan.

The possibility of such protection action -- a 27.5 percent tariff on Chinese goods has been proposed -- will remain as long as China refuses to let its currency float more freely against the U.S. dollar.

Meanwhile, as Chinese incomes rise, so will consumption as a share of GDP, with a more or less corresponding decline in the investment share. Once the Chinese capital stock begins to rise more slowly, so will GDP.

Aside from these reasons to question the sustainability of continued annual increases of 11 percent in Chinese nominal GDP, there is the overriding issue of authoritarian rule by the Chinese Communist Party.

Internal Unrest

China's Public Security Ministry reported there were 74,000 protest incidents involving some 3.76 million people in 2004. Jerome Cohen, an adjunct senior fellow for Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations, said in a posting on the Council's Web site that the number of protests over such things as land confiscations, pollution, taxation, corruption and religion probably has doubled this year.

The protests don't immediately threaten Communist Party rule ``because there's no coordination between them,'' said another Council Asia senior fellow, Adam Segal. On the other hand, the Chinese government seems unlikely to address the underlying grievances, so the unrest will continue and grow, the Web site article said.

At some point, the Communist Party may well lose control of the country, and a major disruption of the economy would be likely if that were to happen.

Prospects for U.S. growth generally look good, even though eventually the country is going to have to deal with its low savings rate and huge current account deficit.

China will remain a formidable economic competitor. Nevertheless, of necessity its growth will slow before too many more years pass and the U.S. economy will remain the largest in the world.

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John M. Berry in Washington at

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Post time 2005-12-29 11:14:33 |Display all floors

Reply #24 theshepherd's post

I'm not saddened by this analysis.
I''m still optimistic about the booming Chinese economy. The day will come.

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Post time 2005-12-29 11:23:22 |Display all floors

Reply #25 theshepherd's post

I am sure of the Yin-Yang theory!!!

I think the author shld not be so cock-sure!!!
Something will go wrong in the USA in the future!
No one can see it now!!!
Like he says something might go wrong with $$ MGMT.

How sure is he???
What's on your mind now........ooooooooooooooo la la....Kind Regards

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Post time 2005-12-29 17:27:21 |Display all floors

Reply #26 caringhk's post

Yes, predictions often fail. John Berry could in no way guarantee his words.
That's why I'm optimistic.

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Post time 2005-12-29 20:29:18 |Display all floors
One must be careful not to be drawn into the trap of accepting comparisons based on western standards.

1 US dollar to an American is not the same as 1 Yuan to a Chinese.  I am not even talking about purchasing power parity here.

Amongst other things, Berry missed that.  He should focus on how much money the US Treasury can print by dint of the US greenback as proxy currency for international trade.

I am moving on to other topics.  Thank you.

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Post time 2005-12-29 22:15:41 |Display all floors

No matter what it cost

If China continues like this China will challenge the USA soon. But by then, China will have no more rivers, lakes
and no more drinking water due to pollution. Maybe the whole world will have a climate change due to pollution
caused mainly from China, India and other upcoming 3rd world countries/dictatures where shark-like capitalists
can do what they want and pollute the  water, the earth and the air.

China is dead land!!! And the cure is not in sight. It'll be necessary to act with high ethics, moral and respect about
nature, animals and humans. But it's always the same excuse: "The western capitalist don't have to teach us about
sins  they have committed themselves." You're bloody right, - but this attitude  will destroy China.

By the way it's not China against Russia against USA against Japan against Tahiti...etc.

We are all controlled by shadow governement - this is controlled by the INTERNATIONAL BIG BANKS,
FREEMASONS AND MAFIA/TONG/YAKUZA gangsters. They cooperate international with the goal to
enslave us all and squeeze the world like a lemon for their PROFIT!!!!!!

This people is evil and they have no ethics nor moral nor believe in god - but they worship demons, satan
lucifer and the dark side of Yin-Yang. Dragon-lords!!!

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Post time 2006-1-19 14:16:20 |Display all floors

ha ha that's a good one......

Well, if you look at it purely as NATURE observer..

earth has great ability to ADJUST to the machinations of its inhabitants...
just watch, more CO2, better crop yield, more rains..more snow...

as for the SHADOW GOVERNMENT bit, i have 1 question - Do you believe in a Creator?

Then, there are propagandist...many nations "lie to themselves" and the big joke is.."they began to believe in their own lie"...ha ha ha ha ha



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