Author: soudenjapan

Is there anything we should learn from today's China? [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2005-12-21 20:38:03 |Display all floors

Respect China

I think China is a wonderful country.

But, it is chock full of problems.  Massive water, air and ground pollution.
Also, deplorable safety conditions in the coal mines killing over 5,000
coal miners every year.  And, in excess of 100,000 people are killed every
year in vehicle accidents.  There is rampant piracy of DVDs, CDs, computer
software, famous label brands of virtually every Western product.  China
protects it's automotive industry with tariffs although some are being reduced.
A Toyota Prius costs less than $30,000 USD in the U.S. but when they are
introduced in 2006 in China they will cost between $32,000 and $37,000
USD.   Why is this?  China has much cheaper labor than the Japanese
(where all Priuses are currently assembled).  Come on China - level the
playing field and give all comers a true chance.

Come on China - let us respect you.  But, you must earn that respect.  It won't
be given away free with no charge.

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Post time 2005-12-21 23:33:33 |Display all floors

What should we learn about today's China?

Hmmm, difficult to say really. I noticed the mod said "Confucianism" but that's hardly a positive thing to push if you take note on his extremely misogynistic views towards women.

Perhaps it's a hard work ethic, though that can be found in other countries as well.

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Post time 2005-12-22 12:12:16 |Display all floors
the good thing I ever learn from China is how to violate the IT copy right without going to jail.

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Post time 2005-12-22 12:15:32 |Display all floors
Originally posted by soudenjapan on 2005-12-20 19:43
What standards and criteria do you specifially suggest so that the value of Chinese contributions can be measured in a more accurate and fair term?


Chinese standards because it is China. The point is foreigners don't have a right in China's business because they can't understand because they don't have the values and principles of China. Therefore they have to learn from China before they can understand China. That's why there's everything to learn from China as long as they want to understand and participate with China. If foreigners don't want to learn then stay out of China's business.

They are simply making suggestions to China on such critical issues like human rights and oppression in China. You can do so too, if the Chinese have any solution to "social problems" and "ugly side" in the West or Japan.


Before making suggestions the above mentioned pre-requisites must be satisfied. However, regardless of this westerners, westerners have their own internal problems they choose to avoid their own public scrutiny and keep the public viewing their country on a pedestal by pointing out misunderstood criticisms of what they don't understand for comparison. Especially when their problems retard other countries. Westerners must remove the bamboo curtain mentality first before learning and understanding China.

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Post time 2005-12-22 12:20:55 |Display all floors

japan need not prove herself anymore

any country that says it doesn't need to prove itself of course must be a spent force.
Zeoblade, you lost a point there because you should be able to separate those countries that are genuinely concerned about china's record, and those that flog the subject for political advantage.
Other developing countries that have undergone the experience of imperialism and invasion by the West and Imperial Japan, understand that the social and environment milieu in China is still different, but evolving at China's pace, not at the behest of others, as the poster claims.
This is China's contribution to the world: as a model developing country that feeds, clothes and prospers its people, without invading or manipulating other countries, considering and implementing/rejecting the demands of others, to suit her own needs.
The future of a democratic society in China need not be the straithjacket some are trying to put her in.
Pointing to Japan and India as leaders that quickly emerged in respective fields, the poster makes his own point: that critical mass can be quickly achieved, and asserted.
Japan was a mockery in the manufacturing world in the 1950s, and only became a serious force from the mid-1970s. Manufacturing is a constantly moving field, not a static goal post: so the standards that he claims that Japan will not necessarily be fixed reference points.
As for Brazil,. sadly, the deforestation of the Amazon is making greater impact than its agriculture - in the latter, countries such as China, India and even Thailand are also leaders.
Which aspect is Brazil leading the world in?
Elson, apologies.

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Post time 2005-12-22 13:35:55 |Display all floors
Originally posted by hunggu at 2005-12-22 12:20
any country that says it doesn't need to prove itself of course must be a spent force.
Zeoblade, you lost a point there because you should be able to separate those countries that are genuinely concerned about china's record, and those that flog the subject for political advantage.


The point is still there because there is an insane amount of concepts that everyone can learn from China. Some countries have learnt a little and are the basis for huge advances in the world today because of Chinese pioneering. Especially in the case of international relations, areas like the west have much to learn before being able to understand the depth of China and to evolve their thinking instead of rigid traintracks they think along or like you said, jackets to bind China to the impression that westerners are happy to bind them to. What reasons for concern is questionable and challengable for westerners to dig into for their own realisation. However, refusal to accept what they find is the problem they try to avoid so instead their attention is paid elsewhere instead of the issue at hand and their own internal problems too.

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Post time 2005-12-22 14:31:37 |Display all floors

Reply #55 zeoblade's post

Such as create a lie or diversion to bomb Korea, Cuba or Vietnam
or latest Irag!!!

Yes diversion, a great trickery....
What's on your mind now........ooooooooooooooo la la....Kind Regards

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